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the results of their testing are obviously fake news

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I like these kinds of comparisons. The 210 looks like a great example, as does the Bo.

Too bad they didn't rate the comfort for an adult sitting in the third row of each plane.


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The 210 appears to be 200lbs lighter for basic empty weight. If I am reading the specs right, that's the normally aspirated 210. Most other parameters from HP to wing area are similar.

I guess 200lbs makes a difference!


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210’s are great until you have a gear issue.

Had to play fetch a friend due to a 182rg gear issue that presented a a voltage light and slowing of aircraft. Two weeks before that he told me “don’t worry my mechanic knows the retractable Cessnas”. Heard him say to his mechanic after “replace every hose in that gear.” Experiences matter.

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Bwahahahahahaha. They had to give the 210 more HP so it would go ever so slightly faster. Then they made the Bo fly faster on final(67 vs 77 knots) so the 210 would land shorter. So yeah let's cripple the Bo to make the poor Cessna guys feel better.

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Just ask Matt Guthmiller. Flew an A36 around the world and just flew a 210 over the Atlantic. I promise you he will pick the former.


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Bwahahahahahaha. They had to give the 210 more HP so it would go ever so slightly faster. Then they made the Bo fly faster on final(67 vs 77 knots) so the 210 would land shorter. So yeah let's cripple the Bo to make the poor Cessna guys feel better.

Exactly. They compared a hot rodded 210 to a tip-tank-bedragged Bonanza, and flew the Bo 10kts too fast on final.

Still, it’s a fun break from the usual aviation talk of “Cirrus is amazing, Experimentals are amazing, and we’re all getting screwed.”


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In the video, he remarks that the Centurion was "upgraded to an Atlantic engine" (whereas the Bonanza had the usual factory IO-550). I wonder if he really does mean the Atlantic Aero IO-550P engine that was available for 210s and would have about 15 more HP than the usual Continental IO-550 that the Bonanza had...
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Yes, an Atlantic 550P conversion is/was available:

https://www.flyingmag.com/gear/mods/ref ... onversions


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Then it was not a fair comparison. They should have used an Atlantic Aero A36.

In which airplane would you rather sit during unexpected severe turbulence, or accidential [negligent] penetration of a thunderstorm?


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That's quite a club, with those two airplanes and only 15 members.


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I didn't read the article but do know that 210s fly like trucks and Bonanzas fly like sports cars. Design and build quality are not even on the same planet. They are both however good aircraft with long proven histories.


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I fly the L model with the 550P, and my hangar neighbors are devout A36 fans. The 1580# useful load, wide cabin fits my mission with a family of 5. It is warm here, and my Bo friends all have AC which you need. We get by without it with window tint, pilot's window and the high wing. They manage their useful load much more closely than we need to.

The Bo handles better and is easier to land in a crosswind.

We addressed the build quality with a fabulous interior refit including lumbar support. When we outgrew the 182RG, I needed the load carrying so it was really just between the 210 and the PA32 variants (to remain in a single). We fly with 1 seat out, pilots side middle row. The fact that the 3rd row just drops down with a button converts it to more of a suburban pretty quickly. It is hard to find a corrosion free example with the 550P. It took me 2 years. The gear system is reliable IF it is maintained to a no sqwawk, no leak condition. We have doors, and go gear down slower than book speeds to reduce the loading on the doors. Cessna will make you a new one for 7 AMU's.

All planes are compromises, and our 210L fits our mission well. I would need to go to a 55 baron, not a Bo to meet our mission profile. One continental in my life is enough. My old lycoming didn't get a lot of love, and sold it with 1800 hours and great lab results.


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I had a lot of time in a Turbo 210 before I bought my Bo, and they really are a good airplane, but I find it a little unnerving to not be able to "pop the cowling" and look everything over before each flight.

I did find it a little surprising that the club claimed "about the same" maintenance expenses.


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