Sounds like a Chevy vs Ford question.

They are both great planes.

Many hours in both.

Mark Z.

Do you have problems keeping middle cylinders cool in the T210?

I guess I should weigh in on this conversation...

I have several hundred hours in various Bonanzas including straight B33s, F33As, A36s, and V35s. They are great airplanes all the way around.

However, when it came time to purchase my first plane, I purchased a T210N.

Why?

- Availability of known ice.
- Air conditioning
- Slightly longer range (negated with tip tanks on the Bo, but you couldn't at the time have known ice TKS and tips - Unsure if that's still true) with 88 gallons vs 74 in a Bo.
- More space in a T210 than in an A36. Specifically there's very limited cargo space in a 36 if you have all seats in. The 210 has a generous baggage area with a separate cargo door.
- Turbo. Yes, you can get a TN A36 but they are pricey.

My 1980 T210N had known ice, radar, and air conditioning - It was a heck of a bird. There simply wasn't an A36 that could match the capability I had in that plane (ok, fine, there's probably an A36 somewhere with TKS, tips, ac, and radar but it's a rare and highly modified plane - My 210 was essentially stock from the factory).

Does that make a 210 a "better" plane? No, but it was better for my mission.

The Bo definitely handles better and is more fun to hand fly. The 210 is heavy. However, most of my flying is long cross countries and george doesn't ever complain.

I'm not trying to knock either type, so no one get defensive please...

Robert

“You’re all winners!”

I don't know if it is the pilots or the planes, but sitting on the airport bench watching planes land, it seems that the Bo pilots can't put it down in the first 3rd of the runway and the 210 pilots do. Also the Bo pilots usually land on all three wheels at once and the 210 pilots usually land mains first, then nose.

Vince

VINCE!

DUCK, NOW!

OK, you Bonanza guys, he was just funning you.

Weren't you Vince? Say yes and say it fast.

Jg

My #5 is typical to most. It runs a bit hotter because the oil cooler blocks a good bit of ram air. I still am below 380 in the climb (ROP 22-25 GPH).

I hope you meant 32-35 g/hr in the climb?

Hearsay and speculation.... show me the data!

I owned a T210N and a B36TC. I could carry 1000 lbs in the T210 with full fuel (90 gal.) and 400 lbs in the B36TC with full fuel (108 gal.-if I loaded the B36TC with 90 gal-I could only carry 508 lbs.)

For my mission, the 210 was vastly better because of its load carrying and front seat comfort. Both airplanes ran hot, but the B36TC ran much hotter and had higher fuel burns as a result. I did not like having to step climb to 10,000 lightly load on a hot day in South Texas. The only time I ever had to step climb the 210 was with four two hundred pounders out of Alamosa, Colo (8,000 ft elev.) to 14,000 ft on a warm Fall afternoon.

Lots of pluses and minuses for both aircraft. The B36 just didn't work well for me.

Ed

Hearsay and speculation.... show me the data!

I can see that. When I was researching my imminent S35 purchase I found that 80% of Bo pilots fly way too fast on final. Almost to a man they told me never get below 100 MPH unless you are only inches above the runway.

A fun exercise... but they just as well compared apples and oranges.

A '75 Cessna with a bigger engine, scimitar prop, lighter weight and compared it to a '92 bonanza with less hp, old generation prop , heavier weight and ...

guess what>>>>the lighter weight higher hp airplane won.



Did you notice on the take off exercise the 210 used flaps and the bonanza didn't?

Cessna dang near took off it's tail to win the spot landing contest. Maybe better check it for structural damage.

Let's compare apples to apples and see who wins.




Leldon

I know you're being somewhat tongue in cheek, but: SOP for the Cessna is 10 degrees flaps on takeoff, SOP for Bonanza is no flaps (per their respective POHs).

Robert

With the same HP the Bo is always faster. It's only 5-7ish knots but it's always there because the 210 has more drag. What's the bottom of the white arc speed for both aircraft? My S35 is 62 MPH. The 182 I used to have was 60 MPH so if they are both the same weight they will stop in the same distance. In the real world they are rarely at the same weight, my Bo weighs approx 225 pounds more empty. That will translate to about 75-100 feet difference in landing when trying for max performance. In my case that meant 450 feet vs 550 feet(5000 DA and myself and 40 gallons in both planes). Both planes would be about 100 feet shorter at sea level.