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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 19:52 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 19825 Post Likes: +9520 Location: Seeley Lake, MT (23S)
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Username Protected wrote: Did you notice on the take off exercise the 210 used flaps and the bonanza didn't?
I know you're being somewhat tongue in cheek, but: SOP for the Cessna is 10 degrees flaps on takeoff, SOP for Bonanza is no flaps (per their respective POHs). Robert If we are going for max performance then use the amount of flaps on both aircraft that minimizes ground roll. In the Bo that's about 15 degrees, probably 20 degrees on the 210.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 22:28 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2128 Post Likes: +1607 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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Username Protected wrote: I hope you meant 32-35 g/hr in the climb? Yes, on take off I’m looking for 34-36 GPH but coming back to 30/2500 I’m looking at 25 GPH. 13.5- 15.5 cruise LOP 168 TAS. With lots of elbow room.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 18 Nov 2017, 15:35 |
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Joined: 09/07/12 Posts: 143 Post Likes: +77 Location: CZBA - Canada
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Too bad they didn't swap pilots since some of the aircraft performance differences could easily be explained by pilot skill/flight styles.
I'm surprised by how close the match up, but the results are too close IMHO to declare clear winners and losers.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 18 Nov 2017, 17:18 |
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Joined: 05/13/14 Posts: 8308 Post Likes: +6508 Location: Central Texas (KTPL)
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Username Protected wrote: Which is “better”? Why not look at used prices for similar total time, similarly equipped A36 vs 210 and let the perfect free market decide? By that standard it appears the market considers the 210 to be the best. I’m surprised at how reasonable the P210 prices appear.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 18 Nov 2017, 21:05 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2128 Post Likes: +1607 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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The turbo 210s, especially the “P”s can easily get into your pocket if the maintenance has been neglected. They make great machines when everything is working in harmony. It’s hard to find folks who know how to, or are willing to take on such projects. In many cases they aren’t maintenance friendly unlike the Beechcraft. I’ve heard mechanics say if there were only Beech aircraft out there then they’d go out of business.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 18 Nov 2017, 21:40 |
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Joined: 04/29/13 Posts: 705 Post Likes: +476
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Username Protected wrote: I’ve heard mechanics say if there were only Beech aircraft out there then they’d go out of business. It's funny, I hear Cessna mechanics say Cessna puts food on their table, but Beech sends their kids to the best colleges. Or Ford (fix or repair daily) vs Chevy, Lycoming vs Continental, pick your rivalry. Vince
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 14:51 |
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Joined: 11/06/10 Posts: 11885 Post Likes: +2848 Company: Looking Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
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Username Protected wrote: The girl is always going with the Bo.
End of discussion. The first date maybe. But for the girl you keep, more go for the Cessna. It hauls more. Tim
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 15:03 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2128 Post Likes: +1607 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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Her butt don’t stick up in the air getting in and out either.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 15:03 |
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Joined: 04/28/09 Posts: 198 Post Likes: +125
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Username Protected wrote: The girl is always going with the Bo.
End of discussion. Yeah, until she discovers the 210’s got more girth.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 16:16 |
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Joined: 04/29/13 Posts: 705 Post Likes: +476
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Username Protected wrote: The girl is always going with the Bo.
End of discussion. I've never seen a woman in a skirt and heels prefer a low wing over a high wing. Vince
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 22:59 |
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Joined: 07/02/14 Posts: 1978 Post Likes: +1993 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota (KLVN)
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Username Protected wrote: Go sit on the flightline at OSH. If we are making generalizations, he is right.
Watched B2OSH and Ceznas to OSH arrivals this year. There were a lot more Cessna landings that made me wince. Was it the planes, the pilots, I don't know but the B2OSH group exhibited a better landing show.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 23:13 |
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Joined: 03/01/14 Posts: 2128 Post Likes: +1607 Location: 0TX0 Granbury TX
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Admittedly so, the Beech owners are a much better organized group than their Cessna brothers and sisters are with the 150 owners, Cardinal Owners, Twin Flyers, CPA, CPS, etc... Can’t we all just get along??? I guess we’re just a factious bunch.
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Post subject: Re: 210 vs Bo AOPA Style Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 23:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Her butt don’t stick up in the air getting in and out either. That sounds like a negative to me, unless she needs that extra girth.
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