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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 21 Oct 2017, 09:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Correct, this thread sucks
What is correct?
Lancair as we knew it split off and was sold to the group in Texas
The evolution aircraft company is the outfit with solvency issues, it is not appropriate to make a thread saying Lancair is closing, AOPA published no such article, the Evolition Aircraft Company is restructuring
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 21 Oct 2017, 19:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Making airplanes is a tough business. I was in Duluth last weekend and there was a news story about Kestrel Aviation not making any payments on their city economic development loan for a year. They were supposed to have 600 jobs by now and they only have25 employees. https://www.flyingmag.com/kestrel-aircr ... IzODgxMAS2
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 07:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can the OP please change the title of this thread to Evolution Aircraft ceasing operations. Lancair is alive, well, growing and is well capitalized. Us Lancair owners don't want to be lumped into this quagmire. That's a rather disingenuous claim. Lancair International, LLC of Uvalde, TX is a new company that just happens to have the same name as Lancair International, Inc of Redmond, OR after it purchased the rights to the brand (that's like one of those pianos with an austrian sounding name that come out of crates with chinese lettering).
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 11:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can the OP please change the title of this thread to Evolution Aircraft ceasing operations. Lancair is alive, well, growing and is well capitalized. Us Lancair owners don't want to be lumped into this quagmire. That's a rather disingenuous claim. Lancair International, LLC of Uvalde, TX is a new company that just happens to have the same name as Lancair International, Inc of Redmond, OR after it purchased the rights to the brand (that's like one of those pianos with an austrian sounding name that come out of crates with chinese lettering).
Are Chinese-Austrian pianos knock offs or attempts to avoid buying the liability of the former brand manager? I think that’s a poor comparison all around- the Lancair brand was sold and the new owners are breathing life into the business, why on earth would they not split out from the previous owners and start fresh?
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: looks like slip and fall lawyers got another one.
sad state. Easy on that---there is often way more to the story.
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can the OP please change the title of this thread to Evolution Aircraft ceasing operations. Lancair is alive, well, growing and is well capitalized. Us Lancair owners don't want to be lumped into this quagmire. That's a rather disingenuous claim. Lancair International, LLC of Uvalde, TX is a new company that just happens to have the same name as Lancair International, Inc of Redmond, OR after it purchased the rights to the brand (that's like one of those pianos with an austrian sounding name that come out of crates with chinese lettering).
Totally opposite from being a disingenuous claim; Lancair is going concern and Evolution aircraft is not. Lancair in Uvalde is able to provide parts, support and new aircraft. They currently make an airplane that looks like a Lancair because it IS a Lancair. The owners own a Lancair IV. All this supports that it IS the Lancair company with new owners and that's great news for all Lancair owners. Not really sure what dog you have in this fight Florian given you own neither a Lancair nor an Evolution??
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 19:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Totally opposite from being a disingenuous claim; Lancair is going concern and Evolution aircraft is not. Lancair in Uvalde is able to provide parts, support and new aircraft. They currently make an airplane that looks like a Lancair because it IS a Lancair. The owners own a Lancair IV. All this supports that it IS the Lancair company with new owners and that's great news for all Lancair owners. They received the parts inventory, molds and intellectual property for the pre-evolution planes in an asset sale. They could have called themselves 'Airparts of Uvalde, LLC' and they would have just as much or little to do with the brand as they have now. Evolution otoh is what is left of Lancair. It is lead by the folks who ran Lancair, work out of the Lancair facility building and selling a plane designed by Lancair. I dont know if they retained the EIN and actual corporation, but Evolution is Lancair the same way 'Xfinity' is Comcast.
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 22 Oct 2017, 20:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Totally opposite from being a disingenuous claim; Lancair is going concern and Evolution aircraft is not. Lancair in Uvalde is able to provide parts, support and new aircraft. They currently make an airplane that looks like a Lancair because it IS a Lancair. The owners own a Lancair IV. All this supports that it IS the Lancair company with new owners and that's great news for all Lancair owners. They received the parts inventory, molds and intellectual property for the pre-evolution planes in an asset sale. They could have called themselves 'Airparts of Uvalde, LLC' and they would have just as much or little to do with the brand as they have now. Evolution otoh is what is left of Lancair. It is lead by the folks who ran Lancair, work out of the Lancair facility building and selling a plane designed by Lancair. I dont know if they retained the EIN and actual corporation, but Evolution is Lancair the same way 'Xfinity' is Comcast.
Ok I'll bite but look at all the mergers and acquisitions in GA:
Mooney isn't mooney Cirrus isn't cirrus Beech isn't beech Continental isn't continental Epic isn't epic Eclipse isn't eclipse Walter isn't Walter C series is now Airbus Etc.
This is aviation and unfortunately this is part of the deal. Whoever owns the intellectual property and is supporting the product is in fact that entity regardless of what emotion we have for the company's previous owners and former glory
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 14:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Rumors of Evolution Aircraft’s death were somewhat exaggerated, it seems. The local radio station did what AOPA couldn't, just drove over to check them out. http://kbnd.com/kbnd-news/local-news-feed/329471That's not in contradiction to what was said in other articles. Dead but still twitching.
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Rumors of Evolution Aircraft’s death were somewhat exaggerated, it seems. The local radio station did what AOPA couldn't, just drove over to check them out. http://kbnd.com/kbnd-news/local-news-feed/329471That's not in contradiction to what was said in other articles. Dead but still twitching. a good bit of the original "Lancair" guys, just the "new" group is left at Evolution from what I've seen
Dave likely knows more
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 23 Oct 2017, 15:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dead but still twitching. Seems you have a new definition of "dead". I've had several phone calls and emails with EAC employees in the last few days. They didn't go through a medium, séance or Ouija board.
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Post subject: Re: Lancair ceasing operations Posted: 24 Oct 2017, 13:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dead but still twitching. Seems you have a new definition of "dead". I've had several phone calls and emails with EAC employees in the last few days. They didn't go through a medium, séance or Ouija board.
Chatbots are getting better and better with each passing day, but for aircraft companies, even the 2014 models work great as they simply need to answer every question with: it's just around the corner, maybe even next week.
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