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 Post subject: Which LSA for primary flight training ?
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I am toying with the idea of obtaining a light aircraft to facilitate primary flight training for several young people.

Ordinarily, I would probably purchase a 172, or maybe a 152.

However, its possible one of the young people being considered may not be able to get a Class III medical at present, although a driver's license won't be a problem, and flying a light aircraft is not likely to be either (thank you, FAA medicos... but that's another topic.) I anticipate that this young person will, someday in the future, be eligible for a medical and will then want to transition to more typical 4- or 6-seat GA aircraft.

So, for now, I'm thinking an appropriate LSA. Don't know much about them.

I've looked online at a Flight Designs CTLS, a Van's RV-12, a Cessna SkyCatcher, and a Ran's S-6S or S-7LS. I think a newer tricycle gear airplane is probably best, but have also considered a Luscombe, Champ or Taylorcraft.

Any suggestions?

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Cessna SkyCatcher,


I would worry about support for that one. There are extremely few of them that didn't go to the crusher.

Yes, they have a 0-200 engine but it is a "D" version, not the common "C" version, the Crankshaft, Camshaft, Pistons, and Crankcase are different from all other versions.

I would put into my decision database if they can run on cargas (not Mogas) as Mogas may not be available. A fellow airport rat has a Flightdesigns that he runs exclusivly on cargas. He gets 100 hrs between oil changes and the longterm life of his engine is greatly improved.

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 Post subject: Re: Which LSA for primary flight training ?
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I would consider, in order of preference:

1. champ
2. aeronca
3. champion
4. RV12

perhaps I'm showing a slight bias, it's been known to happen


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I'm thinking RV12

The CTLS is 1) expensive and 2) known to be pretty squirrelly - not a great trainer.

I'd love to like the 162 but the seeming utter failure of any flight schools to take them up gives me great pause.

A ragwing taildragger sounds like a hangar/insurance nightmare

Having tried some stuff like this lately myself, I've kinda concluded that most 2 seat airplanes dont' have the UL to take most teenager/instructor combos.

I'd be inclined to go for the overall good of the group and get a 150 or 160hp cherokee.


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Another thing to consider in this venture is I have heard (you need to verify) that if one gets a light sport license but is taught by a regular (not light sport) CFI the hours of instruction can be counted toward a regular (not light sport) license. Hours taught by a light sport instructor need to be redone when going toward a regular license.

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Citabria or early Legend Cub.


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I taught in the high wing Tecnam (P92 Echo), nice flying airplane.


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I would consider, in order of preference:

1. champ
2. aeronca
3. champion
4. RV12

perhaps I'm showing a slight bias, it's been known to happen


Like the Champ, do you?

That might turn out to be the best option, if my friends who own one and have a place to keep it would let me use it. But that's a BIG "if" so I'm not counting on it.

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I'd be inclined to go for the overall good of the group and get a 150 or 160hp cherokee.


So would I, except for the fact that the one who is drooling at the mouth to fly is the same one who can't get a medical at the moment.

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I taught in the high wing Tecnam (P92 Echo), nice flying airplane.


Good to know. That one looks awfully nice to me, but maybe its because it looks so much like a 152 or 172!

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Citabria or early Legend Cub.


I will have to look at those... not too familiar with them.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Another thing to consider in this venture is I have heard (you need to verify) that if one gets a light sport license but is taught by a regular (not light sport) CFI the hours of instruction can be counted toward a regular (not light sport) license. Hours taught by a light sport instructor need to be redone when going toward a regular license.


Interesting. I don't even know a "light sport instructor" nor did I know that such a thing existed. In any event, the instruction would be given by a regular CFI or CFII. Maybe even by myself, if I decide its worth it to get the CFI to do it.

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Cfi one of the best things I've ever done. Do it!


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Don't forget, if you wish this aircraft to also be used for private pilot students, it will need lights for the night flying requirement, and at least basic gyros for the 3 hours of instrument training. Kind of rules out the Champ, at least the original ones.


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I would consider, in order of preference:

1. champ
2. aeronca
3. champion
4. RV12

perhaps I'm showing a slight bias, it's been known to happen

Kids aren't going to want to be flying something that was built during their great-grandfather's salad days.

How about a Bristell?

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