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 Post subject: Re: Retractable Landing Gear on High-Wing Cessna
PostPosted: 17 Sep 2017, 14:20 
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The Piper Arrow (PA28), Saratoga and Lance (PA32) and Senecas (PA34) is among the simplest and robust retractable landing gear systems.


I totally disagree, particularly for the Seneca PA-34.

It is a very well known fact that the Piper retract MG trunions were totally under-built, consequently there is a very high incidence of MG failures after hard landings.

The trunions were beefed-up at least a half dozen times over the years, maybe the latest iterations are considered "robust" but the earlier ones certainly were NOT !



The PA34 MLG trunions were updated. The early ones, prone to cracking, are subject to a 25hr (yes, 25 hours). Weirdly enough, the 1975 Seneca II that I owned, came to me with one of the good trunions and one of the stupid ones. No record of 25 hour inspections either(!!!). I had it replaced immediately of course (pre-purchase check - actually, I spotted it even before the mechanic got there). Weirdly enough, the trunion wasn't very expensive and readily available. The trunion issue was resolved many years ago. Any reasonable operator should have done them long, long ago.

The nose gear SB and AD are somewhat troublesome the first time. You have to make sure the rivets haven't pulled out of the structure under the panel and center console. The rest is easy and the only life limited part afterward is a drag-link bolt. I had the tiller track replaced and the nose trunion replaced - due to someone prior tugging it without paying attention to the turn limits. The stops were broken and the tiller trick showed signs of abuse.

I have however, seen many with the MLG and nose gear assembled incorrectly!!!!! There's pictures in the service manual and everything.

The updates and service history of the gear should be a pre-purchase inspection item, of course. The incident reports don't show much in the way of gear failure. When I researched it years ago, there was a fairly significant number of nose gear collapses on rollout or taxi - due to non-compliance with the AD and SB that cover it.

Other than a downlock switch, and an actuator o-ring, I had no issues with the gear in 10 years of flying the PA34. It really never caused any issues. Just did the maintenance by the book and it was good and really spent no money on them at all other than correcting everything right after purchase.


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 Post subject: Re: Retractable Landing Gear on High-Wing Cessna
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Jay your '64 210D is a great ride... so much bang for the buck. I remember this ship being for sale a few years back. I had inquired about it then.

A very smart engineer-fellow on another forum says the secret ingredient in his 210D is running a 20% mixture of Granville Strut Seal in his power pack... claims he's had no leaks or missing fluid in 20 years, plus the seals stay lubed and in great shape. Not that I would doing such a thing :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:


Thank you Lance, we love it and I agree the older 210s are a ton of airplane for the money. It simply does everything I ask of it, and being a bigger guy it is plenty comfortable for long trips. I have no trouble doing 5hr+ flights in it.

We essentially only needed a 182 but realized we could get a better-equipped older 210 for less. Decided to take the additional insurance and gear maintenance risk. About to do the fourth annual and so far very happy with the decision. Ive used the 5th and 6th jump seats a few times as well so its not just the extra speed that is nice to have.

I am familiar with the Granville proponent you mentioned, really enjoy his posts. He'd be a real hit here on BT. :rofl: I would like to add some to our system but haven't yet. Our only gear maintenance event so far came in under his $5 limit. :D :rofl:


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 Post subject: Re: Retractable Landing Gear on High-Wing Cessna
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Nice 210, and a GREAT landing :thumbup:


Thanks! I learned to fly in a tail dragger 150 and the spring gear can make for some interesting landings in that configuration (especially when learning :bugeye: ) but I find the 210s very easy to land.


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I'm sure lots of people will tell you how terrible the Cessna gear is, but as the owner of a 1960 210 for 24 years and a 1975 T210 for 4 years, the gear is actually pretty stout. I think more problems have been caused by people trying to work on the planes who just don't understand the gear than anything.



Those seem like real good values.


What speeds and payloads you get w a strutted 210?


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