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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Rick I don't even claim to be a Pratt engine expert but just causally reading on the Pratt site shows both the 66D (TBM) and the 67P (PC12) to be "Large Blocks" but the 66D shows 850 SHP and the 67P 1200 SHP which seems to me to be a big difference. Enlighten me if I'm wrong for it's unlikely I will ever NEED this info but I find it interesting none the less. Frank, Both are actually 1800 some horsepower engines flat rated lower, basically torque limited at take off. The take off limit is basically based on gearbox and overall controllability at takeoff speed. As turbine engines are essentially naturally aspirated, the flat rating is basically power to spare as the altitude increases before temp limits kick in. Take a look at piper M500 and M600. Same engine, same gearbox, but M600 is basically allowed to depart at a higher torque/more hp. By the time both are cruising altitudes, neither is really capable of making full rated power anyway. So as both 66 and 67 climb to cruising altitudes, the fuel burns will be more or less the same, around 400pph, both producing same power. I don't have torque tables for either aircraft, but based on fuel burns at max cruise power, both are making same power at altitude and are essentially temperature limited, 780C IIRC. TBM 850 was a good example of this. It was limited to 700hp on take off and then you could use full 850hp once flaps retracted and controllability was no longer an issue at higher speed. Rick
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 14:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Long Ranger. 3 smoken hot hookers 3 Cubs on Floats 3 T28'C's 3 Passports 3 Fake names 3 L39's 3 debit cards with 2 million each 3 gas cards A few years of no credit check Someone to love To try and be happy An Indian guru a heated kidney shaped pool, a microwave oven a Dyna-Gym a foolproof plan a Gucci shoetree, a year's supply of antibiotics a Mustang, a Mercedes, a Maserati, a Winnebago a McCulloch chainsaw, a Las Vegas wedding, a Mexican divorce, you left out an expensive creeper
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 14:49 |
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Joined: 02/10/12 Posts: 6819 Post Likes: +7927 Company: Minister of Pith Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: Long Ranger. 3 smoken hot hookers 3 Cubs on Floats 3 T28'C's 3 Passports 3 Fake names 3 L39's 3 debit cards with 2 million each 3 gas cards A few years of no credit check Someone to love To try and be happy An Indian guru a heated kidney shaped pool, a microwave oven a Dyna-Gym a foolproof plan a Gucci shoetree, a year's supply of antibiotics a Mustang, a Mercedes, a Maserati, a Winnebago a McCulloch chainsaw, a Las Vegas wedding, a Mexican divorce, and a baby's arm holding an apple.
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 14:57 |
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Joined: 11/06/11 Posts: 465 Post Likes: +129 Company: Southwest Airlines Location: KGEU
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Good morning BH, Hello Thomas, Username Protected wrote: Operating cost is not included. I've made a terrible choice then with the L1011. Crap.
Not really. You are just a little off the mark.
How about a Lockheed Jetstar!!!
There is one on controller for 500K.
And now you get the remaining 9.5 million to use for operating expences!!!
I have to confess. I was kind of joking.
But now that I re-read my post, I kind of like my idea.
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 20:46 |
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Joined: 11/06/15 Posts: 117 Post Likes: +28 Company: Beech Mountain Aviation
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Falcon 50EX with winglets, avionics upgrade. $6M then $4M to operate for several years and travel anywhere you want.
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 23:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: As many warbirds as $10 mill would get me, starting with a P-51 and working down from there. Know someone with a collection large enough they misplaced a Bearcat in IL for a bit. They went through gas receipts to track it down. i hope that someday you get your collection.
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 24 Aug 2017, 23:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: P51, just to look at it in the hangar.......that's a beaut!!! Has to fly. Then cleaned. Then you say it looks so good you fly, Then more cleaning. Ask me how I know!
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 25 Aug 2017, 11:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: I could be your flight engineer!
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 28 Aug 2017, 11:13 |
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Joined: 10/06/16 Posts: 114 Post Likes: +182 Location: Tucson, AZ (winter) & Brunswick, ME (summer)
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Username Protected wrote: Interested to see which planes would be on everyone's short list, it can be anything from pistons to jets. Mine would be Phenom 300 with Garmin G3000, CJ3+ would be in serious consideration but Phenom is faster. This is all hypothetical of course, just me doing some daydreaming at the office. Alex, Give the whole $10M to a worthwhile charity. I already have the perfect airplane... for me. • 1,300 lbs useful load, has six seats but I operate it as a four-seater • 16 - 18 mpg in the high teens, up in the smooth air away from traffic, at 43% LOP economy cruise • easy ingress/egress for my tall & fat self, and decently comfortable. • 80 gallons usable in two bladder tanks, far exceeds the endurance of my smaller bladder tank • decent panel (GNS, MFD, AP w/ altitude select+hold, engine monitor) • can go fast when called upon to do so (200 knots WOT at 19,000') • can go slowly when called upon to do so (60 knots) It's not as sexy as any of those other daydream machines, alas. And it doesn't have a PT-6 (or two of 'em). If you absolutely insisted I could probably sink $100k into avionics upgrades just for kicks. Would love to upgrade the TSIO-520 to a TSIO-550 when it's time for overhaul, but I'm seven years (or one sudden stoppage) away from that decision. This seems to be the sweet spot for me, adding a second turbo big-bore Continental (Baron, Twin Cessna) would be great fun but would double my spend rate for, what, 30% more speed?
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 23:03 |
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I don't suppose I would find a "fire sale" G-280??
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Post subject: Re: $10 million dollars to buy an airplane, which one? Posted: 13 Sep 2017, 23:01 |
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Joined: 08/31/09 Posts: 4211 Post Likes: +497 Company: Telematic Systems, Inc. Location: Ft. Myers, FL (KFMY)
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TBM 930 HUSKY fully loaded w/Tundra tires AIR CAM on floats Bertram 35 ( ) well it flys on water
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