No doubt true.

Flying right now on Flightaware

69 PC12 Pilatus PC-12
65 SR22 Cirrus SR-22
40 C56X Cessna Citation Excel
39 BE20 Beechcraft Super King Air 200
23 E55P Embraer Phenom 300
20 C525 Cessna Citation CJ1
14 C25A Cessna Citation CJ2+
13 C25B Cessna Citation CJ3
9 E50P Embraer Phenom 100
7 C510 Cessna Citation Mustang
5 EA50 Eclipse 500
3 SF50 Cirrus Vision SF50
2 HDJT Honda HondaJet

Chuck, you should point out that there are 26 TBM's flying right now too :-)

Matt


No doubt true.

Flying right now on Flightaware

69 PC12 Pilatus PC-12
65 SR22 Cirrus SR-22
40 C56X Cessna Citation Excel
39 BE20 Beechcraft Super King Air 200
23 E55P Embraer Phenom 300
20 C525 Cessna Citation CJ1
14 C25A Cessna Citation CJ2+
13 C25B Cessna Citation CJ3
9 E50P Embraer Phenom 100
7 C510 Cessna Citation Mustang
5 EA50 Eclipse 500
3 SF50 Cirrus Vision SF50
2 HDJT Honda HondaJet

Sorry, I may have missed TBM.

I've got 13 hrs in the Honda. It's a cool airplane, very quiet and fast and fuel efficient if you can get high. However it's really a 2 hr airplane.

I'm amazed they keep building them. Of course, if I were gonna buy a 2 hour airplane I'd probably buy the Honda.

So is it reasonable to assume 800ish miles?

Two hour airplane? That changes a lot.
They tout a 1200 nm range with four occupants.
http://www.hondajet.com/hondajet/specifications

You must know with 13 hours in type. What sort of FF and TAS are you seeing?

So the deal is they say 2900 lbs full fuel, but after 2700 pounds ours is full, unless you sit there and pour in an ounce at a time. We've never gotten more than 2740 into it and most times when the line guys fuel it it's around 2600. Then you burn 1500+ on take off falling to 1200 in the teens and then down to 700 at 390. So when they say 1200 mi they mean if you managed to get 2900 lbs into it and managed to get directly to 430. Otherwise you fly for 2 hrs and then you need to think about coming downhill. Any kind of IFR routing down low and/or the possibility of going missed and you'll be bumping your 45min legal reserves otherwise. Then you gotta wonder why a 2 hr plane needs a fully enclosed aft lav...

Could there be a fueling trick seems strange.

Seems like they'd have to come out with a larger version.... Of course they're too late to that game also.

What's the tube size compared to a CJ?

I'm told they are working on a larger version. Tube size is a little bigger than a CJ1 or M2, but again I'd argue aft space is wasted on the big lav. Headroom is tight for me at 6'4", although plenty of room in the pilot seat... although like the PC12 the front seats are rock hard but that's fixable with the Oregon aero cushion (tip thx 2 Pennman!). Also ref speeds are high.

They've held peoples deposits for 10 years, promising the goods in the "next 24 months"...

OF COURSE THEY HAD THE MOST DELIVERIES!!!!

When their little pool of devotees actually get their goods, they will have to wrestle in the mud with Embraer for every order.

My .02

Good point.

I thought they held deposits longer than 10 years. Regardless it's a long time.

Wonder what the price point will be vs the Citations

There are a LOT of options out there for a fraction of $4.5M - but I guess if you want that "new-airplane" smell, the search narrows

Bob