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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
PostPosted: 18 Aug 2017, 11:04 
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Nah, they follow Apple mentality. Minimal interface to protect the user from hurting themselves (or being productive):
One button. start/stop.
Hold for three seconds: deploy chute.
Land, takeoff, taxi, navigation, faster.... all done via the microphone.

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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My regret, that we did not use respiratory protection when sanding the carbon fiber. The motel life was a bit tedious as well.

Ha. Sounds awesome. Where do I send my millions so I can get started?

No doubt the Epic is an awesome airplane. It's just that the Certified version, so I don't have to do my own sanding, will cost considerably more.

Cirrus SF50 is $1.9MM or so. I sat in one yesterday. It has like 4 buttons in it. Unusually simple.


Ha ;-) Well spend some time on the G3000. I don't think I am a Luddite, but man it takes some time before you get comfortable with all the touchy feely screens, sub-menues, and hidden functions. I like the G3000, but I am over 100 hours behind mine, and just now starting to feel comfortable. Beware of demo pilots, they can make it look way simpler than it really is ;) Now there should be a special course on how to use touch screens in moderate turbulence. :eek:
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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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Ha ;-) Well spend some time on the G3000. I don't think I am a Luddite, but man it takes some time before you get comfortable with all the touchy feely screens, sub-menues, and hidden functions. I like the G3000, but I am over 100 hours behind mine, and just now starting to feel comfortable. Beware of demo pilots, they can make it look way simpler than it really is ;) Now there should be a special course on how to use touch screens in moderate turbulence. :eek:

Not following how what I wrote has anything to do with G3000.

I have G3000 time. I picked it up well but I have 1000 hours of G1000 time.


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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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Update: E1000 received its FAA certification last week. I’m holding serial number 007. It’s only real competition is the TBM and M600. The SF50 is not club cabin and much shorter range at much greater operating cost. The Honda Jet, M2 and other VLJ’s also lack range and are much higher operating costs, not to mention much longer runway requirements. The Denali and PC12 are much slower, much more $$ while considerably larger if you need the space.

I personally considered the TBM930, a friend has one. We flew to Bend this Summer for test flight while I was contemplating a TBM and selling my position. The TBM does offer the G3000 suite w/Garmin digital A/P. Epic uses G1000 NXI suite w/Genisys A/P. Flying each back to back, G3000 wins hands down. On other hand, the Epic is full foot taller cabin, 7” wider and cockpit is enormous. Not that TBM cockpit is tight, it’s just that E1000 was more comfortable for my 6’3” frame. Fit & finish was equal, I’m upgrading the carpet and leather quality. The TBM does have pilot door and mid cabin seats can be fitted club style or forward, if that’s important for you. While the Epic is $1M less than 930, that was not the deciding factor. While I preferred the much more spacious E1000, I preferred the functionality of G3000 in TBM; for me that’s a wash. The deciding factor was from powering up on ramp to leveling at cruise at FL280. The E1000 uses same engine as PC12, rated @ 50% higher than the TBM engine despite nearly identical fuel flow at cruise. The result is a tp plane that climbs like a jet. From Bend it climbed to FL280 in 9 minutes! The TBM was just under 14 minutes. Combine that with 3000’ higher ceiling for our missions that are primarily in West, allows much greater versatility avoiding storms.

For deliveries, mine (#7) is in production, due for delivery in March ‘20. They will deliver #’s 1-2 in December proceeding w/2 deliveries per month at this time. The plan to increase that to 3/mo by Summer ‘20 and 4/mo, which is peak volume for current line, by end of ‘20.


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Typing this from Cozumel where I arrived in an Epic LT. The plane and my brother flew around the world last year. Some countries do have a problem with experimental. I'm guessing the E1000 certified may be out around the first of the year. Carbon fiber ac are required to go through very different testing parameters tha AL. I understand they are now 3.25 million each. I've seen test articles 1 and two. Epic has a well funded and incredible operation in Bend where they now have the Columbia/Cessna plant as well as the original Epic facility. I believe it is a very efficient AC.



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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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From Bend it climbed to FL280 in 9 minutes!

That is awesome. I can't wait to see one.

I'd love a faster SETP and I don't need the room of the Pilatus anymore but I do need the lav.

The Epic is a game changer. I wonder how much it would take for them to get the G3000 in there? Autoland? Seems like "just a little more money" behind this company could push it to where it needs to be.


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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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I'm with Jason. It's exciting to see the competition in the TP field and it has to make everyone better. I love my TBM but my number one wish for upgrade is a higher ceiling. Epic proves its possible in a SETP. There are still some things Epic needs to do like the G3000, and some kind of honey bucket to bring themselves even on amenities. I'm sure they are working on autoland like everyone else.

Textron is pushing Pilatus and Epic should be pushing TBM and I hope they are.


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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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My biggest concern right now is insurance for owner flown aircraft. The insurance companies are really pushing back right now. How will companies like cirrus and epic survive if owners can’t get insurance?


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My biggest concern right now is insurance for owner flown aircraft. The insurance companies are really pushing back right now. How will companies like cirrus and epic survive if owners can’t get insurance?


A few weeks ago I parked on the ramp in Charlotte next to an SF50. I was chatting with the owner about the costs to run his bird and the first thing he mentioned was insurance. He was a fairly experienced pilot and his annual Ins on the jet was $45k. Just outrageous. His hull value is 3-4x my bird but his Ins rate over 10x higher than mine. No way could I justify that myself.

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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My biggest concern right now is insurance for owner flown aircraft. The insurance companies are really pushing back right now. How will companies like cirrus and epic survive if owners can’t get insurance?


A few weeks ago I parked on the ramp in Charlotte next to an SF50. I was chatting with the owner about the costs to run his bird and the first thing he mentioned was insurance. He was a fairly experienced pilot and his annual Ins on the jet was $45k. Just outrageous. His hull value is 3-4x my bird but his Ins rate over 10x higher than mine. No way could I justify that myself.

I hear it all the time. My PC-12 pilot buddy just had to renew at much lower coverage for the same price. It has to affect deliveries of aircraft.

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I hear it all the time. My PC-12 pilot buddy just had to renew at much lower coverage for the same price. It has to affect deliveries of aircraft.


There is a thread in COPA about this issue. A few insurance guys mentioned the high profile, high dollar amount total losses over the past 18 months which is driving the premium increase.

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Buy older planes that you own outright and just get liability.

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Buy older planes that you own outright and just get liability.



That's one answer but I'm guessing that even the rich feel it when a multi-million $$ plane either goes up in flames or gets stolen.

I guess it's a matter of risk as is all of what we do.




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Buy older planes that you own outright and just get liability.

Hull liability?

If you want your estate to be covered you either need to pay to cover it or hire a pilot to fly you around.


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