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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
PostPosted: 17 Nov 2019, 14:00 
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Has Epic mentioned anything about icing cert yet? Boots on the wing and tail?

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Yes, certified version E1000 is FIKI certified. Includes boots, heated prop, pitot and windscreen. Also the heated diverter inlet butterfly used in many PT6's.


So it is certified FIKI now, or will be? Has Epic shared with you the final certified performance numbers and weights?

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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So it is certified FIKI now, or will be? Has Epic shared with you the final certified performance numbers and weights?


Yes, FAA certification process involved FIKI certification. The final cert was issued a week and half ago. I'm to receive actual specs within the next 2 weeks but I'm told there is very little deviation from what were previously published estimates. Max cruise is 338, slightly up. Max payload at full fuel is 1139, again up a bit from estimates. That's all I've been told, apparently it was quite a raucous party in Bend last week that we were unable to attend


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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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Yes, FAA certification process involved FIKI certification. The final cert was issued a week and half ago. I'm to receive actual specs within the next 2 weeks but I'm told there is very little deviation from what were previously published estimates. Max cruise is 338, slightly up. Max payload at full fuel is 1139, again up a bit from estimates. That's all I've been told, apparently it was quite a raucous party in Bend last week that we were unable to attend


That’s really fantastic news. Also a good move by Epic to seek certification that includes FIKI right out of the gate. Many would have been tempted to address FIKI later but that’s not the right thing to do given the operating environment of such a capable TP.

Of note to those who wonder what the differences are between certified and experimental birds, not that there were more than one structural failures in cert testing, including a door failure in pressurization testing and a wing structural failure during testing. Rigorous cert testing is going to highlight deficiencies in the experimental designs that would otherwise go undiscovered. It would be interesting to see a detailed list of all the changes that were made to the experimental design to the certified design. My bet is that they are very numerous.

Congrats to the folks at Epic! What a monstrous achievement.

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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Yes, FAA certification process involved FIKI certification. The final cert was issued a week and half ago. I'm to receive actual specs within the next 2 weeks but I'm told there is very little deviation from what were previously published estimates. Max cruise is 338, slightly up. Max payload at full fuel is 1139, again up a bit from estimates. That's all I've been told, apparently it was quite a raucous party in Bend last week that we were unable to attend


That’s really fantastic news. Also a good move by Epic to seek certification that includes FIKI right out of the gate. Many would have been tempted to address FIKI later but that’s not the right thing to do given the operating environment of such a capable TP.

Of note to those who wonder what the differences are between certified and experimental birds, not that there were more than one structural failures in cert testing, including a door failure in pressurization testing and a wing structural failure during testing. Rigorous cert testing is going to highlight deficiencies in the experimental designs that would otherwise go undiscovered. It would be interesting to see a detailed list of all the changes that were made to the experimental design to the certified design. My bet is that they are very numerous.

Congrats to the folks at Epic! What a monstrous achievement.


I don't have an exact write up of differences, so don't hold me to this, but I've caught some tidbits over time. Most items came from crash safety. Some examples: passing the 9g landing load test, trinkets for containing fuel tank slosh during crash landing/deceleration. I think a lot of the stress test items on the wings were done with spars and everything very close to what is on the LTs.

The cabin door was a fun one to see, but I think it blew well north of 10 psi. Crazy thing is that the pressure vessel at the end of testing is okay up to over 18psi

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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I don't have an exact write up of differences, so don't hold me to this, but I've caught some tidbits over time. Most items came from crash safety. Some examples: passing the 9g landing load test, trinkets for containing fuel tank slosh during crash landing/deceleration. I think a lot of the stress test items on the wings were done with spars and everything very close to what is on the LTs.

The cabin door was a fun one to see, but I think it blew well north of 10 psi. Crazy thing is that the pressure vessel at the end of testing is okay up to over 18psi

So after the door blew out at 10psi they updated it and now the pressure vessel holds to 18psi? wow that's awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: TBM VS Epic LT
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Pretty exciting times in the SETP market with all the new and improved aircraft out there. Congrats to Epic and to Michael for getting in line! Its a very sexy airplane - great ergonomics and seems very comfortable both up front and in back. I also heard they have over 80 deposits when I visited them at OSH. They got pretty friendly once they heard I flew an M600 (as did the Denali people)... :).

Not sure it's worth $1 mm for a sideways trade for our M600 but there sure are a lot of great choices now in the $3 mm price range ...


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Would really like to see the final specs and what is actual speed at FL340 as the -67A is losing a lot of performance at this altitude.
I got told that Epic is looking at an even higher ceiling than FL340?





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So it is certified FIKI now, or will be? Has Epic shared with you the final certified performance numbers and weights?


Yes, FAA certification process involved FIKI certification. The final cert was issued a week and half ago. I'm to receive actual specs within the next 2 weeks but I'm told there is very little deviation from what were previously published estimates. Max cruise is 338, slightly up. Max payload at full fuel is 1139, again up a bit from estimates. That's all I've been told, apparently it was quite a raucous party in Bend last week that we were unable to attend

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No idea what weight, power setting, or outside temp on this test run, but the flight below shows ground speed of ~350 knots and ~250 knots in opposite directions while holding at FL340. Infer what you will.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N33 ... /KBDN/KBDN


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