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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
PostPosted: 23 Aug 2017, 15:14 
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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
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So, the one that hasn't flown in over a year has been pulled out, cleaned up, and "annualed." It's pretty close to home, so I'm tempted to go look at it. But I don't want my test flight to be the airplane's test flight!

There are a lot of beautiful, perfect Supercubs for sale right now. There are also a fair number of dogs. It's the airplane buyer's conundrum: I don't want to fly a dog and I don't want to pay for perfection. The in-betweens are much less common.

Got a couple of responses to my ad on supercub.org. Kind of promising!


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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
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I'll be a bit of a contrarian to the 'mission ain't everything' comment. I'd agree with that statement if the context is comparing Bonanzas to bush planes, but there's enough differences between tandem seat tail draggers that it's worth giving some thought to how you are going to use it. I just finished a 3400 nm, 10 day tour through the Canadian north with my Husky A1-B. Two people, a bit of camping gear, 31" tires, and 50 gallons of fuel and I can make 90 knots at 6 gph, take off in 200', land in 300', and it's comfortable enough for 4 hour legs. Tankers enough fuel for 600 nm legs with reasonable reserves. Not quite the short field performer as nice light SC, but with 180 HP and CS prop, the range of possible uses is pretty broad.

If shaving 50' off those short field distances is important, get the SC. If just having a Super Cub is the itch, by all means get the Super Cub. If low and slow on Sunday is the point, lots of good options cheaper than both Huskys, Carbon Cubs, and most Super Cubs.

Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with logic, but it's still better not to be disappointed after actually acquiring that toy you've been lusting after for so long.

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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
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I have to admit that I just saw your original post, read the first page, then immediately tacked this post on at the end of the thread. So.....this has probably already been said:

Buy the best value, which will probably be #3 on your original list. (Find the best airplane at the best price).

I haven't flown nearly as much in total since I sold my Pitts last fall so buying the Super Cub is a Super good move! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
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Another deal or no deal thing: Here's part of the ad, with emphasis added:

"1963 Piper PA18-150 TTAF:3838, Lycoming 0-320A2B 466 S/O/M/H, Sensenich Prop: 485, VG'S, Dual oil coolers, smoke system, float attachments, STC for Alaskian Bush tires, extended baggage mode, PM-1000 intercom, King 76A transp. with encoder, KY97A radio, ELT, Sky-tec starter, InterAV Alt System, STC Sutton exhaust system, Atley Dodge heavy duty gear, stainless header tank, stainless sealed struts, Ceconite-C-102 fabric with Air tech covering. Aircraft is multiple rated(normal/utility&restricted) Annual due 9/16, Aircraft was damaged in1984 kept in storage till 02/04 while being refurbished."

I texted the owner and asked what was meant by that bold part. He answered "It means the aircraft can be operated in those categories." I pressed, asking how and why it was certificated Restricted. He stopped answering.

Any idea what that might mean and whether it impacts the deal? I assume the smoke system is involved somehow.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Me Think Through This Supercub Thing
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That's strange, Stuart.

BTW, many Experimentals have smoke systems and they remain in the Experimental category, i.e., not "Restricted."

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My 182 was registered as restricted when used as a survey plane and back to normal when used normally. The logs showed it in and out of restricted category many times depending if the camera equipment was installed or not.
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Another deal or no deal thing: Here's part of the ad, with emphasis added:

"1963 Piper PA18-150 TTAF:3838, Lycoming 0-320A2B 466 S/O/M/H, Sensenich Prop: 485, VG'S, Dual oil coolers, smoke system, float attachments, STC for Alaskian Bush tires, extended baggage mode, PM-1000 intercom, King 76A transp. with encoder, KY97A radio, ELT, Sky-tec starter, InterAV Alt System, STC Sutton exhaust system, Atley Dodge heavy duty gear, stainless header tank, stainless sealed struts, Ceconite-C-102 fabric with Air tech covering. Aircraft is multiple rated(normal/utility&restricted) Annual due 9/16, Aircraft was damaged in1984 kept in storage till 02/04 while being refurbished."

I texted the owner and asked what was meant by that bold part. He answered "It means the aircraft can be operated in those categories." I pressed, asking how and why it was certificated Restricted. He stopped answering.

Any idea what that might mean and whether it impacts the deal? I assume the smoke system is involved somehow.


If it were an A model meaning agricultural and had ever worn a spray system that could explain the Restricted designation. BWTHDIK

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What about a J-5? There are several on either Barnstormers, Controller or TAP for much more tangible prices

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My SuperCub is listed by the FAA as standard-restricted. It was in Alaska when it was new and they issued a restricted Airworthiness Certificate so it could be operated with external loads. The conditions of the restricted certificate said it had to be relinquished when the airplane left Alaska. My local inspector said that now the original standard airworthiness certificate would be picked up by the inspector when the new certificate was issued, but I have the original standard airworthiness certificate in the airplane. Apparently 43 years ago, and in Alaska, things were done differently than today. I am going to get the FAA records changed. It really didn't make any difference to insurance companies but I am getting it changed so the documents in the airplane and the FAA records match. I had to get the entire file on the airplane to find this out.


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That's interesting. I don't think the airplane in the ad has been in Alaska, but it's not necessarily something you'd advertise when selling. Maybe they issue Restricted certificates for similar things in the lower 48. Too bad the seller was such a smart axx about it, or I would've looked at it by now.


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That's interesting. I don't think the airplane in the ad has been in Alaska, but it's not necessarily something you'd advertise when selling. Maybe they issue Restricted certificates for similar things in the lower 48. Too bad the seller was such a smart axx about it, or I would've looked at it by now.

Ag is one case. for example, pawnee is standard with booms are off, restricted when booms are installed


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That's interesting. I don't think the airplane in the ad has been in Alaska, but it's not necessarily something you'd advertise when selling. Maybe they issue Restricted certificates for similar things in the lower 48. Too bad the seller was such a smart axx about it, or I would've looked at it by now.

Ag is one case. for example, pawnee is standard with booms are off, restricted when booms are installed

Aha! So maybe it's a PA-18A.

Suffice to say Neil S. isn't listing this airplane! :roll:

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Would it get a restricted certificate for something like banner towing?


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