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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose  Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 18:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cruise at 140mph, check. Will a Super Decathlon really cruise at 140 mph? C'mon....
John,
Absolutely. I have owned two. The first one was, I think, a '94 model. It would actually hit 150 at altitude and one person. The second, an '05 model with a three blade prop would only do 145 but climb like a demon. My wife and I actually took it on a couple of weekend trips to N.C. when our Bravo was in annuals.
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 22:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: John,
Absolutely. I have owned two. The first one was, I think, a '94 model. It would actually hit 150 at altitude and one person. The second, an '05 model with a three blade prop would only do 145 but climb like a demon. My wife and I actually took it on a couple of weekend trips to N.C. when our Bravo was in annuals.
Jgreen I'm selling my house (and my grass strip) at which I base my Citabria, so now it will be living with the Conquest at a regular airport. I've got a buddy who flies an RV-12 with whom I make several fun cross country trips a year. He can get about 140 mph where I can only do about 120. Maybe I should trade the Citabria for a Decathlon so I don't get beat by an RV-12. You can't imagine what that does to my ego. First world problems.
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 00:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: and how long to take the scout from Rick's photo and fly it to the location of Tom's photo ? (the answer can be rounded to the nearest whole day for convenience) No kidding.... except that one is probably 40 years newer!!!!
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 08:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: John,
Absolutely. I have owned two. The first one was, I think, a '94 model. It would actually hit 150 at altitude and one person. The second, an '05 model with a three blade prop would only do 145 but climb like a demon. My wife and I actually took it on a couple of weekend trips to N.C. when our Bravo was in annuals.
Jgreen I'm selling my house (and my grass strip) at which I base my Citabria, so now it will be living with the Conquest at a regular airport. I've got a buddy who flies an RV-12 with whom I make several fun cross country trips a year. He can get about 140 mph where I can only do about 120. Maybe I should trade the Citabria for a Decathlon so I don't get beat by an RV-12. You can't imagine what that does to my ego. First world problems.
John,
The first airplane I ever bought with my own money, not my father's, was a 1975 GCBC. I can still recall the "new" smell. 
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 23:28 |
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Scout is not aerobatic (Utility category), and factory specs show 750-830 lb useful load, cruise 130 mph at 75% power, 1000-1500 fpm climb (load dependent), takeoff <700 ft and land <900 ft (both over 50-ft obstacle at max GW)
Super Decathlon is Aerobatic category, and factory specs show 645 lb useful load, cruises 141 mph at 75% power, 1100 fpm climb, takeoff <1100 ft and land <1200 ft (both over 50-ft obstacle at max GW)
If you want to fly aerobatics, there is no decision to be made - it's the Super-D, hands down. The scout is approved only for Utility-type maneuvers. But if that's not a "big deal" to you (it wasn't to me), then the Scout beats the Super-D in every performance category except speed. But to me, the Super-D's 10 mph speed advantage just isn't enough to make up for lower useful load, slower climb, longer takeoff and landing, etc.
And you need to carefully consider that useful load thing, because by the time you put two 200-lb people in a Super-D, and throw in 50 lbs of baggage, you've only got enough useful load left over for 32 gallons of fuel - about 2.7 hours until dry tanks. With the Scout, you can carry those two 200-lb guys, 50 lbs of baggage, and 50 gallons of fuel about 4.8 hours until dry tanks. On a cross-country of any length, the Scout might get there first, because it could make fewer fuel stops...
My bias is towards the Scout, but then I'm really NOT into aerobatics, and AM into STOL-type performance. (Thus I'm building a Bearhawk Patrol 2-seat tandem that will carry more than the Scout, faster than the Super-D, and use less runway than either, while using a lot less fuel!)
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 06:49 |
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Go with the Scout, more useful load and you can put it on floats!
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 29 Sep 2017, 18:50 |
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I'd rather fly my Champ than the Decathlon. I never made friends with that wing.
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Post subject: Re: Decathlon vs Scout - which would you choose Posted: 30 Sep 2017, 19:27 |
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Awesome Mark! Congrats! Just remember, inverted level flight is a lot more nose high than you’d initially think. 
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