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 Post subject: Re: Express 2000 RG
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I actually flew the turbine Express probably 5 years ago. I am trying to remember details, pretty sure it had a PT6-20 in it, and wasn't overly fast but burned ALOT of gas. The old PT6's didn't have the new efficient burner cans. If I remember correctly it was only about a 210kt airframe. At the time I owned a 2000, and was probably the only current CFI with Express time, so I got to fly a few different airframes. Every express I flew, was fairly benign, honest and easy to fly. It is a great airframe, just un-supported and probably un-insurable at this point.

This one flew nice, stalled straight, etc. Other than the inefficiencies I don't remember anything overly dangerous or "death trap" about it.



Well except the only two made ended in Fatal crashes :bang:


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 Post subject: Re: Express 2000 RG
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I don't remember anything overly dangerous or "death trap" about it.
Well except the only two made ended in Fatal crashes
I have to wonder, what does the term "death trap" even mean if a 100% fatal crash rate doesn't count?

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 Post subject: Re: Express 2000 RG
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That is not correct, there were at least 2 turbine Express aircraft.

OK, so there were (2). I stand corrected.
When I built my plane, there was (1). I was friends with Larry Olson at the time, and spoke to him the day before his accident.

After that plane crashed none were offered for sale as the company was already underfunded & not able to continue production.

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Larry died in N512EA S/N 001 in 2003, and the one that crashed this year was N44508 S/N 0101RG.

Again, so there were (2) instead of (1); over 19 years? Again, thank you for the correction. :coffee:

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The only two known examples both fatally crashed, a 100% fatal crash rate, but "not a death trap".

Both crashes were not the fault of the airplane itself.
Your conjecture is that something is a "deathtrap" over misunderstood statistics. It's not any different than saying Bonanzas kill Doctors.

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OK, fine, whatever.

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I flew the airplane that Anthony passed away in. It was quirky but benign. I took it through a full stall series and it had no strange manners. He had an engine failure and a possible fire..that could happen in any airplane.


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