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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 12:53 |
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Joined: 01/30/09 Posts: 3353 Post Likes: +1961 Location: $ilicon Vall€y
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe that single engine jet thing isn't such a hot idea after all. If that's the case then you could say that single engine piston isn't such a hot idea. Engines quit at times. It happens.
Or single engine turbines for that matter.
I have to admit - the single engine jet doesn't entirely make a lot of sense to me. Not so much because of the "engine could quit" thing, but the idea of a jet is to go fast. If it has a single engine, then it has to have a stall speed of 61kts or less. It is really hard to make a thing that flies high and goes fast, carries a good load, keeps the cabin pressurized yet stalls under 61kts.
That doesn't keep me out of singles, but that does change my risk assessments and decision making vs. when I owned a twin.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 13:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: If that's the case then you could say that single engine piston isn't such a hot idea. Engines quit at times. It happens. To take that a step further, it's expected to happen, to the point that engine failures are not a mandatory reporting incident to the FAA like a fire or a control system malfunction. Engine failures are not atypical events.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 07 Sep 2017, 17:19 |
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Joined: 07/15/12 Posts: 230 Post Likes: +77 Location: Texas
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Clint, any word on what happened yet?
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 00:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: This immediately made me think of the SF50 :bugeye: Only 50% as likely though. I'll happily perform TWO single engine landings in a Mustang for every ONE engine out situation in an SF50.
Engine failure in a Mustang is a maintenance event.
Engine failure in an SF50 is an insurance event.
Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 15:28 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3448 Post Likes: +2395 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
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Username Protected wrote: Engine failure in a Mustang is a maintenance event.
Engine failure in an SF50 is an insurance event.
Mike C. That's a good way to look at it. We'll put.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 19:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'll happily perform TWO single engine landings in a Mustang for every ONE engine out situation in an SF50.
Engine failure in a Mustang is a maintenance event.
Engine failure in an SF50 is an insurance event.
Mike C. The assumption is that you are fine in both cases. Since this is true, which one hits the wallet? Tim
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 01:08 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: The assumption is that you are fine in both cases. Odds are far better for the Mustang to have no injuries. Cirrus didn't even want to try the chute on the SF50 themselves, preferring to let some future customer be the first to experience it. It will be VERY interesting to see what happens. Or you can take the chance on a dead stick landing in the SF50. Quote: Since this is true, which one hits the wallet? Purely economically, the SF50 totaled in a chute deploy or botched dead stick costs you more. You won't get a replacement airplane for the agreed hull value minus deductible minus sales tax, and other acquisition costs. You also won't get the replacement airplane for years. You also potentially caused damage to property on the ground, further adding to the costs. Meanwhile, the Mustang is flying again in days on a rental engine and the engine program takes care of the engine repair. If I told you that your next flight will have an engine failure and gave you the choice of the SF50 or the Mustang, you'd be an idiot to take the SF50. Suppose the engine failure happened not at FL330, but at 300 AGL? How "expensive" is that? Turbine engines are reliable, they are not infallible. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 07 Oct 2017, 12:38 |
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Curious what caused the failure? Are you able to provide an update?
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Post subject: Re: Engine Failure at FL330 Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 10:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I haven't received a written report yet, but I received verbal word from Pratt that it was a failure of the #3 bearing. So Clint, what happens now? Do they rebuild your engine, give it back to you, and remount it? Do you continue to run their engine? And do they reimburse you for costs you’ve incurred? I’m fascinated what happens directly from manufacturers on new jet engines, what service they provide Warren
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