Gosh Arlen, do you think we need one?


Maybe it is "unfair" to comment on the Cirrus, but there never seems to be a shortage of critiques regarding tail wag, CG or structural issues on certain other aircraft.

What you may call an inaccurate rumor may also be referred to as unflattering fact or unpleasant reality . . . The costs of airplane ownership are NOT rumors, they are reality, the cirrus just more so, with the cost of repacking the chute something more substantial than an old wives tale. Your personal problems not withstanding, the costs do add up.

Flaming others won't make things less expensive

10 grand every ten years is cheaper than a second engine at nearly any utilization level, and I'd consider it an equivalent level of safety.

Ive recently read where people are paying 15-16 AMU for a repack. Has it really gone up 50% so quickly?

As far as equivalent level of safety compared to a twin, I'm not convinced but then again I've never had either type.

At the risk of saying what has been said literally hundreds of times on here, I'll address the second statement first:

In statistics, a piston is a piston. Twin is statistically as fatal as a single in the piston lines. I'm not comparing ACCIDENTS; just fatalities. So before it's said how many twins don't get reported, all fatal accidents are.

Can a twin be safer? Yes. But, on average, it is not. Which means if you're average, your chances are below average, because the guys that train often and fly a lot, are bringing it home when they need to.

The Cirrus is much safer over the last, what, 5 or 6 years? Before that, despite rumors to the contrary, it was about average.

Now, the first statement/question: The current higher cost is what most repacks are THIS time, because they MUST be converted to the electronic ignition.

Is it worth it? That's a personal question, and could have a litany of parameters. Not the least is can you afford it, or does it even meet your mission (number of seats or UL, e.g.).

At the risk of saying what has been said literally hundreds of times on here, I'll address the second statement first:

In statistics, a piston is a piston. Twin is statistically as fatal as a single in the piston lines. I'm not comparing ACCIDENTS; just fatalities. So before it's said how many twins don't get reported, all fatal accidents are.

Can a twin be safer? Yes. But, on average, it is not. Which means if you're average, your chances are below average, because the guys that train often and fly a lot, are bringing it home when they need to.

The Cirrus is much safer over the last, what, 5 or 6 years? Before that, despite rumors to the contrary, it was about average.

Now, the first statement/question: The current higher cost is what most repacks are THIS time, because they MUST be converted to the electronic ignition.

Is it worth it? That's a personal question, and could have a litany of parameters. Not the least is can you afford it, or does it even meet your mission (number of seats or UL, e.g.).

Did I understand you right that lightning made a prop look like sharks teeth??

What is the physical process that causes such a thing?? I'm picturing maaaaaaybe melted prop, but I'm having trouble believing that's even possible from just a strike.

You sure the claimant didn't turn his Cirrus into a lawnmower and hit it with the hose before calling you?

is that airframe related, or it because as a cirrus owner you had to increase your starbucks consumption to fit in ?

When I read Cirrus threads on BT, I feel like I am watching CNN and the topic is "Trump".

You can always change your channel to Fox News. Or check out COPA. No need to suffer!

I've never been on COPA, but I would be really surprised if COPA members exhibited the same level of disdain for Beech aircraft as a lot of folks here seem to have for Cirrus.

If you guys are looking to bash another brand, you could tell me how my Piper T tail lance is inferior and basically worthless. Handles terribly, undervalued, undesirable and so on.

While this goes on, I'll go load my family of five and try to get up to gross with full bags and be in the Bahamas in 3 hours.

I've never been on COPA, but I would be really surprised if COPA members exhibited the same level of disdain for Beech aircraft as a lot of folks here seem to have for Cirrus.

At the risk of saying what has been said literally hundreds of times on here, I'll address the second statement first:

In statistics, a piston is a piston. Twin is statistically as fatal as a single in the piston lines. I'm not comparing ACCIDENTS; just fatalities. So before it's said how many twins don't get reported, all fatal accidents are.

Can a twin be safer? Yes. But, on average, it is not. Which means if you're average, your chances are below average, because the guys that train often and fly a lot, are bringing it home when they need to.

The Cirrus is much safer over the last, what, 5 or 6 years? Before that, despite rumors to the contrary, it was about average.

I'm still waiting to see the better quality video!