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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 23:22 |
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Joined: 02/05/14 Posts: 1293 Post Likes: +937 Company: Aromech Inc Location: West Michigan
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Just to close this thread, I thought I should post what we just put into prebuy tonight. It is a 1945 Ercoupe 415c with under 3000 total hours, complete restore in 2010, around 350hr SMOH no corrosion, and a pretty paint job to boot....the wife is pretty happy.... I got lucky since tomorrow is our anniversary and since I bought her an airplane, I dont even need to buy flowers....
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 00:47 |
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Joined: 01/13/11 Posts: 1716 Post Likes: +878 Location: San Francisco, CA
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I know you bought her a plane so you could save the cost of flowers. Perfectly logical aviation thinking. Honey you won't believe how much money I saved us with (fill in the blank) purchase, now we will have to live under the railway overpass but we saved so much! Looks like a real clean plane.
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 09:31 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14576 Post Likes: +22955 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Fred, I think that's a great choice and based on a photo I'm inclined to think you got a good one - there don't appear to be much if any wrinkles in the fuselage skin just forward of the wing. That happens when you get to slow at the and run out of elevator. Just drill into her head, 80mph - takeoff, cruise, and land, all at the same indicated speed.
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 14:51 |
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Joined: 04/26/13 Posts: 19949 Post Likes: +19698 Location: Columbus , IN (KBAK)
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Username Protected wrote: Just to close this thread, I thought I should post what we just put into prebuy tonight. It is a 1945 Ercoupe 415c with under 3000 total hours, complete restore in 2010, around 350hr SMOH no corrosion, and a pretty paint job to boot....the wife is pretty happy.... I got lucky since tomorrow is our anniversary and since I bought her an airplane, I dont even need to buy flowers.... You know I'm loving your choice! Way to go, and what a great looking 'coupe. Congratulations!
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 15:01 |
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Joined: 01/28/13 Posts: 1107 Post Likes: +291 Location: Salzburg, Austria
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great choice…
you must love her and she must love you!!!
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 10:27 |
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Great looking plane. Just curious - where does the rest of the canopy hide? Is it temporarily removed, or does it retract in some really slick way?
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 10:36 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14576 Post Likes: +22955 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Username Protected wrote: Great looking plane. Just curious - where does the rest of the canopy hide? Is it temporarily removed, or does it retract in some really slick way? retracts into the side walls. Roll down the windows and hang your arm out in the breeze. There is no better plane for summertime fooling around than a coupe
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 15 Aug 2017, 22:52 |
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Joined: 08/24/13 Posts: 805 Post Likes: +561 Company: Retired Location: Farmersville, TX
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Username Protected wrote: Just drill into her head, 80mph - takeoff, cruise, and land, all at the same indicated speed. Hmm. Not meaning to pick on Jeff, but that advice appears to contradict everything I can find documented about Ercoupes. The factory manual (not a true POH, much less an AFM) appears to recommend rotating at or above 60 mph, and flying the approach at 60-70 mph. Cruise speeds discussed are significantly faster than 80 mph, as well. (More like 90-95 mph.) Minimum controllable airspeed appears to be well below 50 mph (one pub discusses a "burble" at 3 mph above the 45 mph minimum airspeed, but it is NOT an authoritative source - just one person's "flying handbook" built on his personal experiences). So I have to ask: What is the source of YOUR recommendations? It would seem to me that trying to keep the plane on the ground until it reached 80 mph could be dangerous, and use a LOT more runway than necessary. But even worse would be trying to approach at 80 mph (10-20 mph faster than the factory recommended 60-70 mph) would inevitably result in VERY long landings while trying to scrub off all that excess airspeed, and bringing with it the distinct possibility of PIO (pilot-induced oscillation). To the OP: Please do your wife (and you) a huge favor, and get in touch with the Ercoupe Owners Club (http://www.ercoupe.org/) and solicit advice on type-specific training and operation from that knowledgeable source. Don't listen to me, or anyone else who isn't familiar with the type!PS - Have fun! That airplane looks really fun to fly, and I know you'll enjoy flying in summer with the canopy open! Very cool and "classic" LSA!
_________________ Jim Parker 2007 Rans S-6ES
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 06:57 |
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At OSH there was a LSA from a Tchécoslovaquie Co if I remember with a 80% scale C182 replica. Nice little plane with a bigger cabin than any LSA I have seen before.
_________________ Former Baron 58 owner. Pistons engines are for tractors.
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Post subject: Re: What LSA should my wife get Posted: 16 Aug 2017, 09:19 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14576 Post Likes: +22955 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Username Protected wrote: So I have to ask: What is the source of YOUR recommendations?
flying and repairing ercoupes the biggest reason it won't stall (not totally true but we'll paint with a broad brush) is that the up elevator travel is limited. When you get too slow on landing, you run out of elevator and the nosewheel goes thunk and you get those wrinkles in the fuselage skin just forward of the wing leading edge. Most ercoupes have those wrinkles. The point that you run out of elevator just happens all at once, it's not gradual. It's probably not something you ever have seen on another airplane because even when airspeed is decaying to where it loses effectiveness, you can always pull back more. Although I'm usually beating the drum that most people land too fast, on ercoupes it's the opposite. The airplane lands plenty short so just some over the fence at 80 and give yourself a nice, nose high touchdown with plenty of elevator power. It's doubly important in a crosswind because when you touch down in a crab and the trailing link mains snap the nose from a crab to a straight track, you don't want that nosewheel on the ground. That's why later ones for the double form nosewheel, it'll take more side load when that happens. as far as cruise speeds, you gave to remember that these have different engines. Most commonly discussed numbers being around a 75hp plane. if you put in an O-200 you can go over 100mph
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