BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:13

Username Protected wrote:

But if you want to go from ny to Fla in less than 3 hours and fly over the weather a vlj is your best bet

What VLJ will do this? Not a Mustang.

Also, your post assumes the weather is always at the midpoint in your flight. Last I checked airports are still located on the ground.

I did some research on Mustang flights not long ago.... Every Mustang spends 51% of it's flying life below 30K'. For a jet to make sense, it has to be able to stay high for a ling time. Mustang can't do it. That said, I would absolutely buy and love a Mustang for $1.5MM. But not for $4MM.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:17

Username Protected wrote:

A Mustang can fly from TEB to ORL (850-900nm) with a 20kt headwind in 3 hours on 1800lbs of fuel. With fuel reserve, you can still load 900lbs of people and cargo.

How about Opa Locka... OPF?

I don't think many of the NYC aviation crowd goes to Orlando as much as they do South Florida.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:26

Username Protected wrote:

A Mustang can fly from TEB to ORL (850-900nm) with a 20kt headwind in 3 hours on 1800lbs of fuel. With fuel reserve, you can still load 900lbs of people and cargo.

How about Opa Locka... OPF?

I don't think many of the NYC aviation crowd goes to Orlando as much as they do South Florida.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:28

Username Protected wrote:

Ok, I'm not an east coaster. I just picked a city in FL. OPF adds 15 minutes and 150lbs of fuel. So, you'd be over the 3-hour mark by 15 minutes, and you'd have to lighten your load to 750lbs.

ATC will also have you at 13K' with 30-40 minutes left til OPF. You don't get direct climb and direct decent in NYC or Florida. You "get in line".

Descents begin at Cape Canaveral

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:36

I understand. I figured the FISEL7 arrival from CRANS.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:47

Username Protected wrote:

Ok, I'm not an east coaster. I just picked a city in FL. OPF adds 15 minutes and 150lbs of fuel. So, you'd be over the 3-hour mark by 15 minutes, and you'd have to lighten your load to 750lbs.

ATC will also have you at 13K' with 30-40 minutes left til OPF. You don't get direct climb and direct decent in NYC or Florida. You "get in line".

Descents begin at Cape Canaveral

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 14:58

... and when your cruising at FL400, you're looking down at the airliners. ATC likes me up there where I'm out of the way.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 15:02

Username Protected wrote:

Jason
When you come in over the water you get good descents

A friend of mine routinely does frg f45 in his Eclipse

Leaving NYC I am typically at cruise altitudes before I am out of jersey

With the Eclipse having a Vmo of 285 you are not in the way like a TP and you get decent handling

Again..... F45 is a good bit North of OPF and a good bit North of where the airspace gets really crowded. In and out of F45 is much more simple and "out of the way" than OPF.

I have a buddy who 2 times on flights from TEB to Atlanta on a Netjets Citation has had to stop to re-fuel due to headwinds.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 15:08

On the FISEL7 arrival into OPF, you'd begin your descent 120nm north of OPF, which is a little sooner than ideal, but only by 30nm. It's not that much different. ATC wants FL240 at 90nm out.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 15:13

I'm always put on the Blufi4 Arrival.
https://download.aopa.org/ustprocs/curr ... r_star.pdf

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 15:21

BLUFI4 is turboprops only. The FISEL7 is jets only. You don't have to be low until 40nm north of OPF.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 15:36

This is the route the jets have to fly coming from Atlanta.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N302 ... /KPDK/KOPF
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJM6 ... /KPDK/KOPF

Descent begins with 40 minutes of flight to go.

It's only a 1.5 hour flight in a Lear 60 but this one spent 1:10 of it below 30K'.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 16:12

Bummer on the route. At least it was only 600nm.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 16:18

Username Protected wrote:

Bummer on the route. At least it was only 600nm.

Yeah but that's how it is every day. It wasn't a "one off". Busy airports equate to lousy routings. Atlanta is busy. S Florida is busy. NYC is busy. I'm not finding any jets getting direct climbs and descent in and out of these airports.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jul 2017, 16:40

The turbojet RNAV arrivals and departures work pretty well to keep things moving. Sometimes you get dunked, but usually not.

What plane am I describing?