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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 14:13 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3450 Post Likes: +2395 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
Aircraft: Citation Mustang
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Username Protected wrote: But if you want to go from ny to Fla in less than 3 hours and fly over the weather a vlj is your best bet What VLJ will do this? Not a Mustang. Also, your post assumes the weather is always at the midpoint in your flight. Last I checked airports are still located on the ground. I did some research on Mustang flights not long ago.... Every Mustang spends 51% of it's flying life below 30K'. For a jet to make sense, it has to be able to stay high for a ling time. Mustang can't do it. That said, I would absolutely buy and love a Mustang for $1.5MM. But not for $4MM. A Mustang can fly from TEB to ORL (850-900nm) with a 20kt headwind in 3 hours on 1800lbs of fuel. With fuel reserve, you can still load 900lbs of people and cargo.
I typically fly my Mustang between FL370 to FL410 for flights greater than one hour. I've flown non-stop to Wichita multiple times (1240nm).
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 14:17 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: A Mustang can fly from TEB to ORL (850-900nm) with a 20kt headwind in 3 hours on 1800lbs of fuel. With fuel reserve, you can still load 900lbs of people and cargo.
How about Opa Locka... OPF? I don't think many of the NYC aviation crowd goes to Orlando as much as they do South Florida.
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 14:26 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3450 Post Likes: +2395 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
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Username Protected wrote: A Mustang can fly from TEB to ORL (850-900nm) with a 20kt headwind in 3 hours on 1800lbs of fuel. With fuel reserve, you can still load 900lbs of people and cargo.
How about Opa Locka... OPF? I don't think many of the NYC aviation crowd goes to Orlando as much as they do South Florida. Ok, I'm not an east coaster. I just picked a city in FL. OPF adds 15 minutes and 150lbs of fuel. So, you'd be over the 3-hour mark by 15 minutes, and you'd have to lighten your load to 750lbs.
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 14:28 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Ok, I'm not an east coaster. I just picked a city in FL. OPF adds 15 minutes and 150lbs of fuel. So, you'd be over the 3-hour mark by 15 minutes, and you'd have to lighten your load to 750lbs. ATC will also have you at 13K' with 30-40 minutes left til OPF. You don't get direct climb and direct decent in NYC or Florida. You "get in line". Descents begin at Cape Canaveral
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 14:47 |
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Joined: 10/31/14 Posts: 534 Post Likes: +255
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Username Protected wrote: Ok, I'm not an east coaster. I just picked a city in FL. OPF adds 15 minutes and 150lbs of fuel. So, you'd be over the 3-hour mark by 15 minutes, and you'd have to lighten your load to 750lbs. ATC will also have you at 13K' with 30-40 minutes left til OPF. You don't get direct climb and direct decent in NYC or Florida. You "get in line". Descents begin at Cape Canaveral
Jason When you come in over the water you get good descents
A friend of mine routinely does frg f45 in his Eclipse
Leaving NYC I am typically at cruise altitudes before I am out of jersey
With the Eclipse having a Vmo of 285 you are not in the way like a TP and you get decent handling
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 15:02 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Jason When you come in over the water you get good descents
A friend of mine routinely does frg f45 in his Eclipse
Leaving NYC I am typically at cruise altitudes before I am out of jersey
With the Eclipse having a Vmo of 285 you are not in the way like a TP and you get decent handling Again..... F45 is a good bit North of OPF and a good bit North of where the airspace gets really crowded. In and out of F45 is much more simple and "out of the way" than OPF. I have a buddy who 2 times on flights from TEB to Atlanta on a Netjets Citation has had to stop to re-fuel due to headwinds.
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Post subject: Re: What plane am I describing? Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 16:18 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Bummer on the route. At least it was only 600nm. Yeah but that's how it is every day. It wasn't a "one off". Busy airports equate to lousy routings. Atlanta is busy. S Florida is busy. NYC is busy. I'm not finding any jets getting direct climbs and descent in and out of these airports.
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