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Dan, fantastic explanation. Now I understand. Yup, know about the composite parts. Did not realize that they needed much prep to paint.

I still dig that Mooney paint job :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Great post Dan. You're in PA?

I have another question..... My PC12 is a 2008 and the paint is perfect. I have friends with newer PC12's and their paint is chipped and scratched and they're already repainting parts. Is there a "paint quality" issue?

I'm afraid of repainting mine that the new paint will look awful in a year.


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Ahem...

I'm gonna try to remember this thread when another piston twin vs SETP thread comes up... :hide:


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Chip, curious what a typical 200 costs to paint at a first class shop?


$50 - $60k


About the same as a CJ2.
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Great post Dan. You're in PA?

I have another question..... My PC12 is a 2008 and the paint is perfect. I have friends with newer PC12's and their paint is chipped and scratched and they're already repainting parts. Is there a "paint quality" issue?

I'm afraid of repainting mine that the new paint will look awful in a year.


I guess it depends on how often you clean it and what you use to clean it, and how the plane is used, like car to car. Our 07 model is getting close to needing some attention. If we do any paint work, I would like to come back and get a ceramic coating put on it, much better than wax.

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Great post Dan. You're in PA?

I have another question..... My PC12 is a 2008 and the paint is perfect. I have friends with newer PC12's and their paint is chipped and scratched and they're already repainting parts. Is there a "paint quality" issue?

I'm afraid of repainting mine that the new paint will look awful in a year.


Yes In PA just west of Philadelphia. Regarding paint quality, when you say "chipped and scratched" paint doesn't just chip and scratch all by itself. Something has physically scratch it, something has to be impacting the paint to chip it.

Flying hard IFR in rain, crossing fronts, etc. can be hard on the paint. Are your friends doing this a lot?

A quality paint job is all about the prep. It's 80% prep, 20% painting. If corners are cut during prep you can have a good looking paint job rolling out of the booth that won't hold up. Also how the paint is mixed and applied can affect quality. For example you could put a primer coat on, and then put a top coat on that has too much activator and have your top coat dry quicker than your primer coat. This can cause bad paint adhesion between the primer and top coat.

You can also do things that extend the life of a paint job such as choosing an overall clearcoat option. This especially helps keep the paint looking new if you polish and buff your plane a lot. Without a clearcoat when you buff a paint job you are actually cutting into the color. Over time the paint will begin to look chalky. With a clearcoat you are not cutting into the color, you are polishing a clear protective surface instead of the pigment. The clearcoat gives the airplane a wet, glossy look and deepens the color, smooths edge lines between accent stripes, seals the placards, and it also provides a more durable and cleanable finish.

Doing an overall clearcoat looks like you are destroying a perfectly good paint job because the entire aircraft is sanded after it is painted. If you read my Mooney thread here after we went through the paint process it looks like we destroyed it in this pic: Image
But then the picture right after it you can see a deep glossy finish.

Bottom line, pick a reputable shop that knows your airframe, you don't have to fear a bad paint job.


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Bottom line, pick a reputable shop that knows your airframe, you don't have to fear a bad paint job.


Exactly, you got my business..........I gotta look bad ass though but kid friendly, or JC, Ott and Hangen gonna give me crap

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The PC12's with bad paint I'm referring to live in the same hangar I do. They go to Florida and back mostly. I don't believe they are getting "impacted" with rocks and debris any more than mine but they sure look like they do. It's like their paint is more brittle than mine


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The PC12's with bad paint I'm referring to live in the same hangar I do. They go to Florida and back mostly. I don't believe they are getting "impacted" with rocks and debris any more than mine but they sure look like they do. It's like their paint is more brittle than mine


Are they original paint jobs? It just could be a lot of things, including how they are taking care of the paint if they are using harsh detergents and course brushes, etc. you can scratch and chip up paint. It's really hard to say definitively.


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Thanks for the explanation Dan!!!

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