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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SR22TN vs SR22T
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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SR22TN vs SR22T
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Very interesting Steve. I should be flying a Cirrus, but my decision was made for me when they would not support the TN installation. I do not quite understand that whole document. Anymore insight or specifics?


Hi Ryan,

My only insight was that the newest G1000 software release available in the field (v24) specifically has support for the TAT system, as this software release can be installed in older G1000 SR22s, including ones that were delivered with the TAT system from the factory in the 2008-2010 timeframe.

I assumed that if you can install v24 on a 2008-2010 TAT plane, that you can install v24 on any TAT plane.

I emailed TAT and they confirmed they have not done any G5 installs. There must be something else going on that would prevent TAT from installing v24 of the software. Sorry for earlier misleading response. Below is TAT's response:

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Thanks for your interest in our TN package for an SR22.
No, sorry. The software package does not have a configuration for the TN System. Disappointing on Cirrus’ part.
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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SR22TN vs SR22T
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Very interesting Steve. I should be flying a Cirrus, but my decision was made for me when they would not support the TN installation. I do not quite understand that whole document. Anymore insight or specifics?


Hi Ryan,

My only insight was that the newest G1000 software release available in the field (v24) specifically has support for the TAT system, as this software release can be installed in older G1000 SR22s, including ones that were delivered with the TAT system from the factory in the 2008-2010 timeframe.

I assumed that if you can install v24 on a 2008-2010 TAT plane, that you can install v24 on any TAT plane.

I emailed TAT and they confirmed they have not done any G5 installs. There must be something else going on that would prevent TAT from installing v24 of the software. Sorry for earlier misleading response. Below is TAT's response:

Steve,
Thanks for your interest in our TN package for an SR22.
No, sorry. The software package does not have a configuration for the TN System. Disappointing on Cirrus’ part.
Best regards,
Tim

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SR22TN vs SR22T
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Thank you Steve. Still amazes me avionics can have this much power. Going to need a Navajo to fit a family of four now. Cirrus does not make a seven seater. Oh wait they do but it flies low and slow according to all the experts!

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SR22TN vs SR22T
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Sorry off topic, but out of curiosity what is the real world max cruise speed and altitude on a non-turbo'd SR22? Seems like most Cirrus guys are filing for about 175 at a level off of 6 or 8 thousand, which is where I used to fly my old NA S35 with a 550.

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It's been my experience that a G2GTS is about 165 LOP and a G3GTS is about 170 LOP. I'll be interested to hear others experience.


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I fly a G5 SR22T and had a G3 SR22T prior. CHTs in cruise at 30.5" lop are typically 360-375 degrees at 8000-12000 ft (my usual cruising altitudes), and 390 in full power, full rich, climb. Up high, say 17,000 they are a little higher, maybe 15 degrees in cruise. At 8000 feet I usually true out at about 178, and at 10000 in the low 180s. Also, I have about 750 hours between the two planes and no issues at all with the engines. Hope that helps.


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Jack, those are very respectable speeds. I wonder what you'd see in the high teens?

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I recently attended Cirrus MX school, the word there was that the TN experienced higher maintenance costs due to problems from cracked exhaust components.


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Geoffrey,

They are both very good and the above comments are all consistent with my experience. When counseling potential legacy SR buyers I often remind them of the continual and rapid evolution of the Cirrus platforms. They are, from very early SN to factory new today, very good airaft but they are evolving. Don't let the search for a "perfect" example deter you from considering an "excellent" one.

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We found my buddy an 09 GTS TN FIKI which, with all information available, appears to be better than the 22T. Plane is nice. 177KTAS LOP 75% power @ 8000


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I've got a buddy that is most likely going to purchase an SR22 Turbo. He has told me that he doesn't want the TN version because of all of the engine problems. When the source of information was questioned, he said COPA, and several of the larger brokers.

I have heard in passing where cylinder replacement at 500hrs was common on the turbos, but never paid much attention to whether it was in reference to TN or Turbo.

I know we are all biased on this board to TAT (myself included), but I'd like to be able to get some more factual information about the differences between the two engine options.

Are there performance differences?


In general, they are about the same in performance (within a few knots) - the bigger variable is the pilot and how we manage the engine.

It is hard to compare POH values, because the SR22T uses CHT at 420 in cruise, but the SR22 TAT supplement targets CHT of 380. The two POH docs don't have fuel flows you can directly line up to get an apples to apples comparison.

https://cirrusaircraft.com/service-support/

G3 TAT Supplement: http://www.netefb.com/Documentation/Cir ... lement.pdf
G3TPOH: http://servicecenters.cirrusdesign.com/ ... 72-003.pdf
G5T POH: http://servicecenters.cirrusdesign.com/ ... 72-005.pdf

Unfortunately, we can't easily compare them head to head because Cirrus never delivered them from the factory at the same time. Cirrus first made the TAT an option in 2006, but stopped sometime in early 2010. Then in 2010, they changed to the Continental Turbo from the factory and discontinued the TAT option.

So that does mean there are more older TAT planes in the fleet which may skew the maintenance picture.

TAT has a brief comparison on their site of the two engines as well:

http://www.taturbo.com/sr22/tat_vs_tcm.pdf

Budget will typically drive the decision more than the engine type. TAT planes are 2007-2010 and T planes are 2010-today. If I were advising your friend, this is the decision tree I would use:

1) Do I need to have extra 200 pounds of useful load (3600 pounds versus 3400 pounds)?
If yes, 2013+ G5 planes are your only choice.

2) Do I need FIKI (flight into known ice)?
If yes, 2009+ G3 and 2013+ G5 planes

3) Do I need Garmin G1000 avionics versus Avidyne?
If yes, 2008+ G3 planes

That will help you narrow it down. Both the TAT and T planes don't seem to make it to TBO without some cylinder work. How early that cylinder work happens directly depends on how hard the engine is run.

Hope that helps. Good luck!


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I flew an 07 Avidyne 22 TN and loved it. MX is higher on any turbocharged engine vs. a normally aspirated engine. My Cirrus shop thought they both cost about the same over time; the TN requires a bit more ongoing MX while the T tends to go longer between MX needs but when the come up, they tend to cost more. So it evens out over a few years of operation, and both cost more than the normally aspirated Conti. But if you regularly fly in the teens, or will be hot and/or high a good percentage of the time, I recommend a TN or T (but that's just my personal view). The NA, TN or T will all do the job ...


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Sorry off topic, but out of curiosity what is the real world max cruise speed and altitude on a non-turbo'd SR22? Seems like most Cirrus guys are filing for about 175 at a level off of 6 or 8 thousand, which is where I used to fly my old NA S35 with a 550.


I have a normally aspirated SR-22 and I generally see about 174kts at 10,500ft LOP


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Just picked up a perspective G3 TN.
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Cracked case caused replacement of the engine. I liked the TN better because it just keeps sea level power to the high teens. Plane is a serious traveling machine. At 17500 I’m seeing close to 190knts LOP.

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