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 Post subject: Re: Is the PA-18 Still an Alaskan "Workhorse?"
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2017, 19:14 
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I'm building a Bearhawk Patrol (2-seat version) because I really wanted a Cub, but don't fit in one at all. I'm a bigger guy, with bigger friends. A Super Cub is just incredibly crowded, hard to get in and out of, etc. The Patrol is flown solo from the front seat, has a 31" wide cockpit, and has much larger doors for easier entry/exit. Empty weights range from around 1050 to 1300 lbs (truly a "deluxe" interior) against a Utility gross weight of 2000 lbs (2200 lbs would be "Standard" category).

With a realistic UL of around 900+ lbs, and a stall speed around 30 mph (not knots, MPH), and a max cruise speed around 150 mph (135 knots) with a 180 HP O-360, it's an extremely versatile airplane that flies as slow as an unmodified Cub, and is as fast (possibly faster) than an X-Cub, but can be built for a LOT less money (well under 1/3 the cost) if you're a scratch-builder or halfway decent at parts scrounging.

I counted up all the times I've filled more than two seats while flying (3 times in 39 years of flying), and realized I'd much rather look out the windows on both sides of the airplane, and be able to play "low and slow" while still making decent cross-country progress. So I sold the Commander 114, bought a 7ECA to fly while I build, and started the Patrol build. I'm very happy with my decision thus far, 1.5 years into it...


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 Post subject: Re: Is the PA-18 Still an Alaskan "Workhorse?"
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Here's why I'm asking: As I look at buying a Super Cub instead of, say, a Citabria or even a Kitfox, people say "a Super Cub (or 185) will always keep its value because it has so much commercial application." I have my doubts, but I'm anxious to be convinced.


I'm primarily going to address the Super Cub here, but when compared to other tandem, fabric airframes (such as a Citabria, Scout, or Husky) the Cub is the gold standard, and the Cub asking prices reflect this. My observation is that the low speed handling characteristics of the Cub are superior to the other options, hence the value. When you need to get in and out of a small area I'd prefer to be in a Cub, and this is why the commercial operators use them.

The fact that you're considering a Cub vs. a 180/185 leads me to believe you don't really need the low speed handling and short takeoff and landing abilities that the Cub has to offer. Other airframes that cost less might be an option as well in this case but if it costs less to buy you'll also likely get less for it when you sell.

Maybe give a Stinson with a big engine a shot as an alternative?


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