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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 11:27 |
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Joined: 02/10/12 Posts: 6829 Post Likes: +7941 Company: Minister of Pith Location: Florida
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Matt, congrats! The SFAR requirements are kinda odd IMO: --You need at least 100 hrs multi to qualify. --The MU2, OEI, handles completely differently (i.e., potentially dangerously, hence the SFAR) than a piston twin. --The SFAR expects you to "unlearn" muscle memory responses to emergencies that you've spent 100 hrs + learning in a recip. Do I have that right? Does this make sense to anyone besides the FAA?
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 12:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: --The MU2, OEI, handles completely differently (i.e., potentially dangerously, hence the SFAR) than a piston twin. Not really. When you lose an engine, you step on the rudder ("step on the ball" or "step on the bug" still apply). You level the wings. You identify and feather the inop engine. Maintain heading, trim off the yoke force (spoiler) then trim off the rudder force. It is not that different. There is one additional action due to it being a turboprop (you out the inop engine power lever full forward) and you need to trim the roll. But trimming is very natural, you want to do it. It is a lot more to write than it is to do. Quote: --The SFAR expects you to "unlearn" muscle memory responses to emergencies that you've spent 100 hrs + learning in a recip. Do I have that right? Does this make sense to anyone besides the FAA? Not really right. I don't think I unlearned too much. There are going to be minor engine management differences in any turboprop vs recip. It is actually easier - the NTS system gets rid of a lot of the prop drag, so even if all you do is fly the plane, you will generakly be fine until you run the checklist and get stuff cleaned up.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 13:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Matt, congrats! The SFAR requirements are kinda odd IMO: --You need at least 100 hrs multi to qualify. --The MU2, OEI, handles completely differently (i.e., potentially dangerously, hence the SFAR) than a piston twin. --The SFAR expects you to "unlearn" muscle memory responses to emergencies that you've spent 100 hrs + learning in a recip. Do I have that right? Does this make sense to anyone besides the FAA? I just don't know how else the FAA can enforce the desire to "have a bit of experience first" within their structure. They wanted to create some minimum experience floor, but still had to get through a lot of red-tape and users input. Yes Matt, Congrats! Way to go.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 22:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Listen up for Mitsubishi N22MK on freq and say hello.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 23 Jun 2017, 12:42 |
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 19:15 |
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Joined: 09/26/09 Posts: 1416 Post Likes: +885 Company: ElitAire Location: Columbus, OH - KCMH
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A quick update on my ownership experience after roughly 6 months and 100 hours.
Love it! The utility of this plane is just about perfect for me. No AOG events, capable in weather and have found the MU-2 community to be a great group of folks.
Much of the high usage is driven by the early training hours. However, I'll be surprised if I don't settle in at 125-175 hours per year, as it opens up so many opportunities. Example - an old friend/business associate was having a retirement party in Baltimore Friday. If I had to airline it I would have never given up the time for the trip. With this tool, I was able to leave the office at noon, attend the party in Baltimore and be back at home with the family by 9PM.
I invested quite a bit in transition training. Simcom sim course, followed by Simcom in-plane and sign-off. Then a group of trips with a local mentor pilot, then a re-current training course with Ross Russo. It was great flying with 3 different pilots - I learned so much. And still have a long way to go. The plane has only scared me once and that was self-induced. I'm comfortable with most phases of flight - but certainly would prefer to not lose an engine -10s/+60s of rotation.
Maintenance/Repair - I just went through my first 100 hour inspection, with the only item of note being the need to overhaul 1 starter/generator. Items repaired in the 100 hours of use: 1 leaking tip tank sniffle valve (it was the "old" style, so we replaced both), re-sealed one strut, 1 PTT switch, 1 dimmer circuit and 2 batteries (ouch, should have caught that at pre-buy - we added battery minders.) I'm still fighting a windshield heater board that wants to alarm at about the temp on/off point.
Costs have been as expected. All-in including training costs, insurance, maint/repair, fuel & FBO fees, subscriptions, engine reserves, but not capital upgrades, I'm in the $800/hr range. That's somewhat high as it's carrying fixed costs for half a years of hours and high initial training costs, but tempered by the fact I own the hangar.
For anyone that is considering one of these machines...I'd say go for it.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 20:05 |
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I cut my teeth hauling checks in -60’s. Reece did my ATP on one of my 6 month checks.
There is no one better. Go to Smyrna. You won’t get better Mu2 training anywhere.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 09 Oct 2017, 00:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is no one better. Go to Smyrna. You won’t get better Mu2 training anywhere. There's a lot to like about Reece, and now Jerry who also instructs as part of Reece's outfit. But there are a lot of valuable MU2 instructors out there. I rotate around because everybody has something to teach you. It also keeps the training from being boring and rote which can happen if you visit the same guy every year. I'm likely selling my MU2 in the next 6-12 months as I step up. I'm going to miss the bang for buck you get with the Mits. You are basically paying piston cabin class prices per mile to go 100 knots faster and far more reliably. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Another Beech ---> MU-2 Guy Posted: 09 Oct 2017, 17:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm likely selling my MU2 in the next 6-12 months as I step up. Traitor :-) Though I do look forward to your detailed analysis of the true ownership experience of a Citation or whatever else you are buying. Your MU2 analysis, has at least for me, been spot on.
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