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I certainly don't think its ugly. Performance numbers are impressive. :thumbup:


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I certainly don't think its ugly. Performance numbers are impressive. :thumbup:



And you'll never see the nose gear retracted while you are flying...

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What's the point of only having the nose gear retract? If you are going to the trouble, make them all come up.

Yeah, it's kinda oddball.

On one hand the nose gear is the only one in the propeller slipstream and it carries much less weight than the mains (so less structure and less weight to make it retract). On the other hand, it's the only one that steers, so that's extra mechanical complexity- and $$

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It's free castoring- no complexity

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From the Lancair MAKO FAQ page:
"Retractable nose gear is offered as an option, to improve performance. We expect another 7 to 8 knots of cruise speed with the nose gear tucked away. We are also working on this operation being automatic, based on speed and GPS altitude."

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Still looks goofy to me. Would like to see what the cost and added build complexity is and whether it's worth 7 knots.

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I'd like to see them move the mains forward, convert it to a taildragger, and fix the problem altogether :-)


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Im guessing all they did was put a IV/IVP nose wheel on this thing. Aside this and the second door, which was an option very late in the ES production. What is the difference. If they wanted to sell some airplanes they would put a chute on it... :duck:

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Shawn, you are correct on all but the last account, they will sell a BRS system for any of their models, so, you get a chute


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I like the idea but.... if they did the following; they couldn't make them fast enough:

1) Stick the IV-P fully retractable gear on it
2) Pressurize it
3) Lycoming turbo
4) 2 doors if possible.
5) TKS
6) G3X Touch
7) Air conditioning
8) Offer some amazing builder assist program.

Let's say it cost $500K; there's nothing that would touch it. It would do 230-240kts and be very safe and docile.


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Why is so much training required?

I transitioned from an Arrow at 135 knots to an A36 that did 172 knots in 5 hours.

All procedures, VFR and IFR including appoaches in actual conditions. All done in an afternoon.

Why is the ES so hard to learn?

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It isn't. It's a nice handling airplane.


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I like the idea but.... if they did the following; they couldn't make them fast enough:

1) Stick the IV-P fully retractable gear on it
You can't, the extra wing spar in the back that makes the ES so strong consumes the area needed for a gear
2) Pressurize it
They did, you can buy that
3) Lycoming turbo
You can, the engine choice is up to you, they make a lycoming mount
4) 2 doors if possible.
It is, you just have to pay for it, adds weight and increases insurance
5) TKS
You can, a few planes have TKS- again, thermawing is superior with respect to weight reduction and cost to install
6) G3X Touch
Yep, you can have that
7) Air conditioning
Yep, you can have that too
8) Offer some amazing builder assist program.
They do, several options out there

Let's say it cost $500K; there's nothing that would touch it. It would do 230-240kts and be very safe and docile.
You'd still have $150-200k left over for gas and insurance

I am assuming you're giving only a 20kt penalty to the larger wings/tail, and subtracting the rest from the gear raising- which it won't, the plane you describe is very do-able with the one exception



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Still looks goofy to me. Would like to see what the cost and added build complexity is and whether it's worth 7 knots.

how does it look goofy? I just checked a photo from my airplane and i can't see anything goofy about the landing gear at all. I'm going to bet the view from the lancair is remarkably similar


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IMHO...
An ES-P with thermo wing and BRS chute seems like the perfect traveling machine.

Does the new Lanciair plan on a pressurized version of the MAKO?


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Still looks goofy to me. Would like to see what the cost and added build complexity is and whether it's worth 7 knots.

how does it look goofy? I just checked a photo from my airplane and i can't see anything goofy about the landing gear at all. I'm going to bet the view from the lancair is remarkably similar


Geez, yeah I get it, it's just my opinion and has no bearing on the anything--it's just a purely subjective observation and not meant to be qualitative in any fashion. Feel free to disagree all you want. I still think it looks goofy. :woot:

Aesthetics aside, still don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze for the modest speed gain.
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I like the idea but.... if they did the following; they couldn't make them fast enough:

1) Stick the IV-P fully retractable gear on it. AGREE
2) Pressurize it AGREE
3) Lycoming turbo ENTIRELY PROBABLE
4) 2 doors if possible. [color=##FF0000]DONE[/color]
5) TKS ENTIRELY PROBABLE
6) G3X Touch [color=##FF0000]DONE BY OWNER[/color]
7) Air conditioning [color=##FF0000]DONE BY OWNER[/color]
8) Offer some amazing builder assist program. [color=##FF0000]DONE[/color]

Let's say it cost $500K; there's nothing that would touch it. It would do 230-240kts and be very safe and docile.


And the chute.

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