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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 07:44 |
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Joined: 10/05/11 Posts: 9553 Post Likes: +6410 Company: Power/mation Location: Milwaukee, WI (KMKE)
Aircraft: 1963 Debonair B33
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Adam, assuming you are still following the market, what do you think that will go for? Mid (calendar) time prop amd gear. -10 engines But... Quote: Total time Airframe: 7418 Left Engine: 9049 Right Engine: 8915
Left engine overhaul done at: 5032 (due: 10032) Right engine overhaul done at: 4922 (due: 9922)
Left engine hot section done: 7532 (due: 10032) Right engine hot section done: 7422 (due: 9922)
The aircraft has been on a progressive inspection program
Based on TTAF being lower than engines, I wonder if they hung some mid time engines on there when upgrading to -10? Or were these always -10? Paging Bruce Byerly. Please pick up the white courtesy phone and educate us!
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 11:24 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4006 Post Likes: +4410 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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Username Protected wrote: Based on TTAF being lower than engines, I wonder if they hung some mid time engines on there when upgrading to -10? Or were these always -10? It's an 840, so it came from the factory with -5s. I'd guess your guess is correct.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 18:59 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4006 Post Likes: +4410 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah, my guess was $700K, but Bruce has a better hand on the pulse of the market. If he has one with LR tanks for $679K, then I doubt this one will go for more than that, unless there's a specific survey company that needs that camera port. But they tend to want LR tanks as well, so.. Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Normal 840s can barely carry anything when LR tanks are full. The published factory number is less than 500 lbs useful with LR tanks full. Most are about 250-300 lbs fatter than "factory." This particular 840 has a useful load of 3322 lbs (350 lbs fatter than factory numbers.) If you magically managed to fit a LR fuel load in the SR tanks, this plane would have a payload of 146 lbs with LR fuel, BEFORE any camera gear is loaded. Add your camera gear and it's over gross as soon as the pilot puts one foot in the door.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 23 Aug 2020, 21:26 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4006 Post Likes: +4410 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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Username Protected wrote: I struggle to see the utility of long range fuel tanks when they drop your speed and given that the plane already has 4-5 hour range. You may be thinking of slipper tanks. Factory long range tanks on the 690C don't change the speed. No matter how far you want to go, someone else will want to go farther.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 31 Oct 2020, 07:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: I struggle to see the utility of long range fuel tanks when they drop your speed and given that the plane already has 4-5 hour range. You may be thinking of slipper tanks. Factory long range tanks on the 690C don't change the speed. No matter how far you want to go, someone else will want to go farther. Yes, I stand corrected, I was thinking of the aftermarket tanks.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 17:01 |
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Joined: 04/20/13 Posts: 48 Post Likes: +1 Location: 2b7
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The Commander is a pilot’s airplane for sure..I flew -5 690a&b models, and the 1000 with -10s.. the -10 is great, but the 690 pressure light for higher altitudes...both models sip fuel and can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2...very safe airplane, but proper training is crucial...without good training, most pilots fly it too fast because it can....a -10 690B is a Big Bang for the buck...
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 19:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2... Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 20:22 |
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Joined: 11/30/17 Posts: 1284 Post Likes: +1458 Location: KARR
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Username Protected wrote: can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2... Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice. Probably thinking of this: [youtube]https://youtu.be/Wbm8xzLVgQ4[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 20:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2... Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice.
Not precisely. There was a pretty detailed study (actual flight study) on the long body that discovered it had some issues. The short body is fine.
I would find it but I'm on the toilet and one of my children keeps shouting "daddy...daddy...daddy"
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