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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Both are such great planes. Pro's and con's with either. Such is life.

I'd miss the smooth ride through rough air.
The MU2 will cost less over time. There may be years where one or the other cost more but over 10 years, the MU2 is less I think.
The cabin I have is fine for now.
300 knots will cost me...a lot over what I have now.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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State of Nevada is selling one of their 840's in auction. This has the 5-bladet MT prop and a lot of goodies. Looks like it's been well taken care of. Might be interesting for someone looking to get into a later Turbo Commander.

https://www.proxibid.com/Vehicles-Marine-Aviation/Air/1981-GULFSTREAM-AERO-COMMANDER-690-C-N885LV/lotInformation/55187332

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Adam, assuming you are still following the market, what do you think that will go for?

Mid (calendar) time prop amd gear.
-10 engines
But...
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Total time Airframe: 7418
Left Engine: 9049
Right Engine: 8915


Left engine overhaul done at: 5032 (due: 10032)
Right engine overhaul done at: 4922 (due: 9922)

Left engine hot section done: 7532 (due: 10032)
Right engine hot section done: 7422 (due: 9922)


The aircraft has been on a progressive inspection program



Based on TTAF being lower than engines, I wonder if they hung some mid time engines on there when upgrading to -10? Or were these always -10?

Paging Bruce Byerly. Please pick up the white courtesy phone and educate us!
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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Yep. Headed out there Jim. It doesn’t have long range fuel and no service center work for 5 years or better but nice plane in general I think. On the other hand, I have one we just finished an extensive 150 hour, gear, etc. on with LRF, and owner willing to complete fresh hot sections to go to 7000 hours, etc. so there are options and another in Alaska with similar times to the auction plane for which we are asking $679,000.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Based on TTAF being lower than engines, I wonder if they hung some mid time engines on there when upgrading to -10? Or were these always -10?

It's an 840, so it came from the factory with -5s. I'd guess your guess is correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Yeah, my guess was $700K, but Bruce has a better hand on the pulse of the market. If he has one with LR tanks for $679K, then I doubt this one will go for more than that, unless there's a specific survey company that needs that camera port. But they tend to want LR tanks as well, so..

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Turbo Commander for my next plane
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Yeah, my guess was $700K, but Bruce has a better hand on the pulse of the market. If he has one with LR tanks for $679K, then I doubt this one will go for more than that, unless there's a specific survey company that needs that camera port. But they tend to want LR tanks as well, so..

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Normal 840s can barely carry anything when LR tanks are full. The published factory number is less than 500 lbs useful with LR tanks full. Most are about 250-300 lbs fatter than "factory."

This particular 840 has a useful load of 3322 lbs (350 lbs fatter than factory numbers.) If you magically managed to fit a LR fuel load in the SR tanks, this plane would have a payload of 146 lbs with LR fuel, BEFORE any camera gear is loaded. Add your camera gear and it's over gross as soon as the pilot puts one foot in the door.

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I struggle to see the utility of long range fuel tanks when they drop your speed and given that the plane already has 4-5 hour range.


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I struggle to see the utility of long range fuel tanks when they drop your speed and given that the plane already has 4-5 hour range.

You may be thinking of slipper tanks. Factory long range tanks on the 690C don't change the speed.

No matter how far you want to go, someone else will want to go farther.

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The LR longwings have very good legs. Not impossible to go 1800nm with reserves.

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I struggle to see the utility of long range fuel tanks when they drop your speed and given that the plane already has 4-5 hour range.

You may be thinking of slipper tanks. Factory long range tanks on the 690C don't change the speed.

No matter how far you want to go, someone else will want to go farther.

Yes, I stand corrected, I was thinking of the aftermarket tanks.

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The Commander is a pilot’s airplane for sure..I flew -5 690a&b models, and the 1000 with -10s.. the -10 is great, but the 690 pressure light for higher altitudes...both models sip fuel and can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2...very safe airplane, but proper training is crucial...without good training, most pilots fly it too fast because it can....a -10 690B is a Big Bang for the buck...


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can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2...

Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice. :cheers:

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can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2...

Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice. :cheers:

Probably thinking of this:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Wbm8xzLVgQ4[/youtube]

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can carry lots of ice unlike the moo2...

Old wives tale. The MU2 does just fine in the ice. :cheers:


Not precisely. There was a pretty detailed study (actual flight study) on the long body that discovered it had some issues. The short body is fine.

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