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 Post subject: Piper Lance Questions
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My family has expanded to 5 members total. I have been browsing Piper Lances and A36's. I would love an A36 but I just don't think I can afford the buy in for it, so that leaves me with a Lance. I want something that's reasonably fast like my H35. What is there to lookout for on the Lances? The T-tail seems like a better value. Do the Lances have a removable glare shield like the bonanzas with the speed slope windshields?


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions
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I was a partner in a 1976 (straight-tail) Lance for a few years a long time ago.

The Good: it can haul a lot, it's easy to fly, it can be a reasonable IFR platform, anybody can work on them, reasonably comfortable, uses the coveted Lycoming IO-540

The Bad: many of them are not upgraded, some are ignored and neglected and not flown much (important: get a good pre-buy)

The Ugly: not very fast....not at all

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions
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I was a partner in a 1976 (straight-tail) Lance for a few years a long time ago.

The Good: it can haul a lot, it's easy to fly, it can be a reasonable IFR platform, anybody can work on them, reasonably comfortable, uses the coveted Lycoming IO-540

The Bad: many of them are not upgraded, some are ignored and neglected and not flown much (important: get a good pre-buy)

The Ugly: not very fast....not at all

This has me worried. The ones I'm seeing, or should I say the ones I can afford, are no where near equipped like my bonanza. I have 430W, stec 50 w/gpss, jpi w/fuel flow, etc. The Lances have an Apollo 60, that's it! What kind of speeds will the Lance get?


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The Ugly: not very fast....not at all


Thats correct. Pipers almost never make book numbers. A friend flies a Lance and says its a 145kt. machine unless all of the planets and solar system are in synch :lol:

I remember when AOPA was doing their Sweepstakes a few years back with a Piper Arrow. They rigged it, painted it and put every speed mod on it that was available at the time, including the Lopresti Cowl, and followed that with a new engine and prop. When they were done the plane wouldn't make book numbers! They mused about Piper telling tall tales in their POH's and wondered how they got away with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions
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That's a problem. My wife, and myself have gotten use to the speed of the bonanza. It will be hard to go back to flying slower.


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I had a cherokee 6-300 fixed gear. I added every speed mod available except the lopresti "cylinder-cooker" cowl. All the seals and fairings gained about 6 kts, which allowed it to kiss the book speed of 145kts TAS at 7-8K ft. Add ~8 kts for folding wheel models. Both on ~18gph

The straight wing models also run out of climb much over ~12K ft

The plus side is that it's enormous inside and has forward baggage in addition to the huge cabin.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Lance Questions
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What kind of speeds will the Lance get?

~ 145-150 knots

I'd be looking for an older A36...

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You should run a few calculations on typical trips to see how much extra time the slower Lance will take. You may be surprised that it's not that bad. Your wife will likely not notice, since the cabin is very room in the Lance. Also, plenty of space for bags and usually abundant useful load.

I love the speed of the A36, but with my family of five aboard, we're getting cozy with bags.


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If you do decide to get one, a tip to save money when the time inevitably comes that the wheels don't raise - the hydraulic power pack looks a lot like the one used in a lot of mercruiser stern drives for the outdrive tilt. Right down to the part number you'll find if you peel back the piper label.


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I rented a T-Tail Lance locally a few times. Got about 150-155kts on around 16gph. They fly (and climb) like dump trucks, but they're roomy as hell, usually have high useful loads and carry a lot of fuel (~100gal).

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150ktas on 16GPH isn't that bad. I get 160ktas on 11.2GPH now with GAMI's on my IO-470. Do the Lycoming's run LOP? Will they tolerate it with GAMI's?


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If you do decide to get one, a tip to save money when the time inevitably comes that the wheels don't raise - the hydraulic power pack looks a lot like the one used in a lot of mercruiser stern drives for the outdrive tilt. Right down to the part number you'll find if you peel back the piper label.

Great info, I'm going to file that away… :dancing:


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What's your budget? Have you considered Saratoga's? I have a lot of time on a Cher Six-300 and really liked it, mainly due to the very roomy cabin and nose baggage (nose baggage is a game changer in this category).

The more modern Saratogas have horrible UL and are very expensive, however earlier Saratoga's still have very good UL (1,200 lbs+) and ~160kt cruise speeds.

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150ktas on 16GPH isn't that bad. I get 160ktas on 11.2GPH now with GAMI's on my IO-470. Do the Lycoming's run LOP? Will they tolerate it with GAMI's?


It was a rental and wouldn't run LOP as equipped. No clue otherwise.

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Michael,

Someone with actual experience needs to share with you the slow flight/landing characteristics of the T-tail models. I would only be repeating what I've heard from owners. I haven't had the pleasure to fly one myself.

It may be why they are a little cheaper.....

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