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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 14:10 |
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Joined: 01/07/14 Posts: 195 Post Likes: +378
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Hey Drew,
Can you speak to the Lake Vs Seawind and just for comparison purposes a 182 on Amphibs. You seem very knowledgeable on the Lake and I'm wondering if you know much about the Seawind. I'm contemplating a purchase of one of the above and right now I'm leaning 182 but I don't have any Lake experience and the Seawind is very interesting but I've done a lot of reading on its safety record or pilot's inability to fly it without consequences. I'm wondering if you can speak to any of the three or whatever knowledge or information you can pass on. Open to all of course on passing on good relevant info! Thanks!
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 22:13 |
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Joined: 02/22/12 Posts: 438 Post Likes: +212 Location: KBOW, FL
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Hi Bob,
I've never flown a Seawind myself but have heard of their reputation. Their VFR equipped certified airplane starts at 458K. That's 4 seats, about 1000lbs useful load and they claim 147KTAS on 13GPH (IO-550). Plus, it's a brand new airplane.
To compare, my 4 seater has 880lbs useful load, and will do 110TAS on 10GPH or 130KTAS on 15GPH (IO-360). You can get an LA-4-200EP like mine for about 90K-100K.
The Renegade (LA-250) has a higher useful load, a bit faster and a corresponding higher fuel flow. They go for about 150-180K depending on avionics etc. Lake also made a Turbo 270HP variant of the Rengade.
You would want to talk to Marc Bourdon or someone else that owns a Cessna single on Amphib floats. I have nothing against the C-185, it was just out of my price range and it won't fit in a standard T-Hangar.
Have you sat in or flown the Seawind? If you want to fly my Lake, send me a PM. I'm in Central FL at Bartow (towered airport with 5000ft runways).
I suppose the most important question is: What is your mission? What do you need your amphibious seaplane to do?
Cheers!
Drew
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 22:58 |
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Joined: 12/10/07 Posts: 8005 Post Likes: +6883 Location: New York, NY
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Username Protected wrote: I've never flown a Seawind myself but have heard of their reputation. Their VFR equipped certified airplane starts at 458K. That's 4 seats, about 1000lbs useful load and they claim 147KTAS on 13GPH (IO-550). Plus, it's a brand new airplane. Wait, there is a certified Seawind? I thought certification program was aborted after an accident and they are basically out of business...
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 13 Aug 2017, 23:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: It always seems that the folks that besmirch the Lake are the ones that have never owned one. So true... Same goes for MU-2's and Aerostars I have noticed. I own both a LA4-200 and a C185 w/Aerocet floats. They are different airplanes for different missions. While the little Lake is more of a 2-seat toy, the C185 will do most anything you ask. This is a bit of an unfair comparison because I have a few hundred hours in the Lake and a few thousand in float equipped Cessnas and Cubs. Still, the Lake is one of my favorite airplanes, pick up the nose and walk it out of the hanger and spend the day splashing around and when you are done walk if back in the hanger and go home. It doesn't get any better than that. The 185 is an awesome plane, you can tie boats, drums, dead animals, 4'x8' sheets of plywood, or most anything else you can think of that won't fit inside to the floats and fly away. Try that with a Lake. The float equipped Cessnas are also better in rough water in my opinion, but this may well be more a reflection of my lack of experience in the Lake compared to the Cessna. As far a money is concerned, the Lake is a bargain. Buy a Widgeon for the price of a lake? I wish. Before I bought the 185 I went Widgeon shopping, there wasn't anything under $225K worth buying. My Lake has all the goodies: EP engine, Garmin 430, HSI, 3 axis AP, heater, bat wings, etc, and is worth about 75K... One of the reasons I have one, when I figured out I could own a nice Lake for the price of a pair of amphib Aerocets for the 185, the choice was made. Whenever I hear some trash-talk any type of plane my first question is always: "Oh, do you have a lot of time in one??" So far the answer has always been, 'Uhhh, no..." Nuff said. Cheers, Jeff Here is a picture of this years Marion Lake fly-in. Too much fun. My bird is the Lake on the ramp. Attachment: N79PL(2).JPG
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 08:21 |
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Charlie Hillard, rest his soul, was in the business of converting Widgeons to turbine power in his hangar at FTW years ago. I know little about the Sea Bee except that owners were trying Corvette engines for additional power. The Twin Bee is basically a modified Sea Bee.
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 14 Aug 2017, 17:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: This is a kit, but WOW! I'd love to have one! http://www.gweduck.com/Man that's cool!!
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 18 Aug 2017, 20:20 |
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Joined: 03/03/12 Posts: 391 Post Likes: +123 Company: PFTS Precision Alignment Location: Winnipeg, MB - Haines City FL
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Username Protected wrote: I've never flown a Seawind myself but have heard of their reputation. Their VFR equipped certified airplane starts at 458K. That's 4 seats, about 1000lbs useful load and they claim 147KTAS on 13GPH (IO-550). Plus, it's a brand new airplane. Wait, there is a certified Seawind? I thought certification program was aborted after an accident and they are basically out of business...
It was shutdown about 12 years ago when he spun in just up the road from me....
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Post subject: Re: Lake Amphibs Posted: 22 Aug 2017, 21:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: This is a kit, but WOW! I'd love to have one! http://www.gweduck.com/That's fantastic. Price?
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