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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 11:46 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 4966 Post Likes: +4797
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I was going to stay out of this because I have nothing but negatives to offer but decided to chime in. I recently ferried a 2007 4 hours, 300lb ish useful load, runway hog, runs hot, burns a ton of gas, slow, bad rate of climb.
I really don't think I could be more negative about an airplane and I love most airplanes.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 14:29 |
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Joined: 12/29/14 Posts: 8490 Post Likes: +5307 Location: Brunswick, Ga
Aircraft: PA32RT-300T
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Username Protected wrote: I was going to stay out of this because I have nothing but negatives to offer but decided to chime in. I recently ferried a 2007 4 hours, 300lb ish useful load, runway hog, runs hot, burns a ton of gas, slow, bad rate of climb.
I really don't think I could be more negative about an airplane and I love most airplanes. Perspective is everything. A Bo cannot do what my Lance can. I tried hard to buy one, but, no matter how I loaded it with my heard, it just wouldn't work for us. Flying solo or plus one, Bo all day and twice on Sunday. Hauling a family, PA32 by a land slide. Perspective influences choices.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 16:34 |
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Joined: 12/29/14 Posts: 8490 Post Likes: +5307 Location: Brunswick, Ga
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Username Protected wrote: I like the Lance! I'm talking about a really heavy late model TC. It's completely useless as a practical airplane. Copy. I don't know anything about birds manufactured before 1980. I'm not successful enough to play in that league.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 05 Sep 2016, 19:54 |
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Joined: 10/05/09 Posts: 1166 Post Likes: +421 Location: Charleston, SC (KJZI)
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Username Protected wrote: Michael,
You can probably do better on oxygen if you buy your own large bottle for the hangar and use it to,fill your plane. Many threads here from people in the industry who say O2 is O2 and fill up a big "all year" bottle at a welding shop for less than you're paying for a weekly refill.
I dunno how to change the passengers' behavior, though. That is what I did when I flew my Turbo Lance. It wasn't very difficult. Spent a few bucks buying the adapters and valve but it paid for itself quickly.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 19:28 |
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Joined: 12/26/12 Posts: 41 Post Likes: +27 Location: Coloma, WI
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I sold my Archer II at the beginning of July do to my growing family. I have my wife and four young daughters. I wanted the A36 in the worst way but when I look at how they pack and know that they are all growing, I ended up with a Lance non turbo. I am in flat land and don't really have a need to go over the mountains.
I have agreed upon a price and will be picking up my new to me Lance in about a month. It is set up very well for IFR and looks to be a solid plane plus the useful load is over 1400lbs!!
Matt
_________________ Common sense goes a long ways!!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 09:25 |
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Joined: 12/29/14 Posts: 8490 Post Likes: +5307 Location: Brunswick, Ga
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Username Protected wrote: I sold my Archer II at the beginning of July do to my growing family. I have my wife and four young daughters. I wanted the A36 in the worst way but when I look at how they pack and know that they are all growing, I ended up with a Lance non turbo. I am in flat land and don't really have a need to go over the mountains.
I have agreed upon a price and will be picking up my new to me Lance in about a month. It is set up very well for IFR and looks to be a solid plane plus the useful load is over 1400lbs!!
Matt Our dilemma appears to be in parallel. 3 kids, wife, bags, full fuel. A Bo was only momentarily an option till the CG was done. As a side note, I had my plane weighed and discovered my useful load was about 70 less than what was advertised in WB sheet. A little irritating, but wouldn't have stopped the purchase. Not saying you need to weigh your plane, but unless it's bone stock, I would try to scrutinize the books to ensure that UL is accurate.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 10:16 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14576 Post Likes: +22952 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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the turbo updraft saratoga has an oven in between the cabin and engine that can cook eggs. Lopresti makes an aftermarket cowl that turns the oven into a broiler.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Saratoga Turbo Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 12:34 |
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Joined: 05/13/14 Posts: 8348 Post Likes: +6571 Location: Central Texas (KTPL)
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Username Protected wrote: I sold my Archer II at the beginning of July do to my growing family. I have my wife and four young daughters. I wanted the A36 in the worst way but when I look at how they pack and know that they are all growing, I ended up with a Lance non turbo. I am in flat land and don't really have a need to go over the mountains.
I have agreed upon a price and will be picking up my new to me Lance in about a month. It is set up very well for IFR and looks to be a solid plane plus the useful load is over 1400lbs!!
Great choice Matt. You really get a lot of luggage space with the noise and behind the third row. If your kids are like mine, the most critical system in the airplane is the pilot isolate switch on the audio panel.
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