BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Oct 2017, 15:27

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http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article ... d_8MVu3yCg

Unclear on price of the PTT option with the lav.

That's clearly not what I'm talking about. Looks like a frankenlav.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Oct 2017, 15:52

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I actually have a really hard time finding any PC12 owners that have ever gone from PC12 to jet. They just stay with PC12.

I'm with JC on this one. I've reviewed the numbers, the Phenom is an incredible airplane, the PC12 is just more flexible. Phenom saves time, but when you factor in type ratings, ongoing training, optional fields in the PC12, cost, etc. etc. the Phenom just ain't as 'pretty' as before.

The only time I've wanted a Phenom is when I'm slugging around in the weather.

Texas Turbines just purchased a Pilatus to put a TPE -114 on it, They reckon about 300knts and about 10-20% gain in fuel efficiency.........

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Oct 2017, 15:56

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You are deluding yourself if you think PC12 and Phenom 300 are competing against each other for customers.

Mike C.

Interestingly enough I know of 5 folks that are in that dilemma.........if the 300 drops to below 4.5MM in value, you'll see at least 2 jump.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Oct 2017, 20:22

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The only time I've wanted a Phenom is when I'm slugging around in the weather.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Oct 2017, 22:35

I don't feel worthy to watch those PC12 videos. With respect to owner pilots, the P300 is a dud. very few owner pilots out there fly the 300. Owner pilots are still buying the SETP's M500, M600, TBM 910/930, PC12 way exceeding the combined owner flown jet market. It is not just about money. A SETP is just more efficient, more versatile, and more forgiving.

If you are the owner sitting in the back, that is where the jet wins out. Most back of the bus types don't want to be in a tube any longer than necessary.

But what do you do in a jet, when you want to go to that really high, really hot or really short destination?... Or one that is coated in 3 inches of wind blown ice.

Didn't see too many jets flying on this day when the runway was almost too slippery to stand up. Did see a couple of TP's come in though. Beta-reverse rules

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 14:14

I hate being right all the time.... It's a curse.

http://kingairnation.com/pwc-talks-new- ... t6-engine/

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“It is something we have been working on for a while and been running in a test cell. I can’t tell you where it is going to go – but we are very happy with the progress so far,” Kanellias. According to Aviation Week’s industry sources, possible applications could include a larger Pilatus PC-12NG and a more powerful derivative of the Daher TBM900 family. Aviation Week also noted that P&WC president John Saabas said earlier this year that a “Super PC-12 or a bigger King Air” would benefit from such an engine.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 17:11

Damn fine looking bird Charles, damn fine looking......

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 18:14

Username Protected wrote:

But what do you do in a jet,

Been flying alone too long Charles. :lol:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 19:17

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With respect to owner pilots, the P300 is a dud. ]

Man I wish I had one of those "duds"!

But I hear yah. It's fast, and maybe 4 hours in the seat you're looking for someone helping out. Particularly if you're going somewhere complicated like busy NE and Class B.Strictly theoretically speaking I'd owner fly a 2-3 hr plane and if Ineeded to move up get something like an X that would go transcontinental.

6 hrs in a PC12 isn't going to be like 4 in a 300 I suspect.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 23:22

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6 hrs in a PC12 isn't going to be like 4 in a 300 I suspect.

Surprisingly close, being above the weather and looking down at frontal systems rather than picking your way around them is really nice when the weather is crappy.........

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2017, 23:36

I'll admit it... when I'm flying the Pilatus on a long flight and look down and there is 3 hrs to go, and the earth is moving by so slowly at 25,000 ft and 265 kts true becomes 190 GS because of headwinds... I find myself feeling like the thing is too slow. Am I the only one? #firstworldproblems

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Oct 2017, 00:36

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Nobody is sitting around trying to decide between buying a PC12 and Phenom 300.

That's like trying to decide between a Ford Econoline van and a stretch limo.

Two very different customer profiles.

Mike C.

His point is that you have to get to the 300 at 9MM to match the abilities of the PC-12 with a jet. That says a lot.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Oct 2017, 01:10

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2 engines turning is meaningless. It's an emotional thing.

Thats what I tell myself also. :rofl:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Oct 2017, 03:26

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His point is that you have to get to the 300 at 9MM to match the abilities of the PC-12 with a jet. That says a lot.

A CJ3+ will meet the PC-12 and the CJ4 will beat it's pants off for less than 9mm.

Less than 7 for the 3+ new.

Semantics though :rofl:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Oct 2017, 08:25

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I'll admit it... when I'm flying the Pilatus on a long flight and look down and there is 3 hrs to go, and the earth is moving by so slowly at 25,000 ft and 265 kts true becomes 190 GS because of headwinds... I find myself feeling like the thing is too slow. Am I the only one? #firstworldproblems

No, I think those feelings happen no matter what you’re flying. I get it in the ‘bus at 460 kts. :shrug:

Especially on go-home day.

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