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Would be cool...but....
(stolen from another board)

http://mynewsla.com/orange-county/2016/ ... -to-vegas/

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Would be cool...but....
(stolen from another board)

http://mynewsla.com/orange-county/2016/ ... -to-vegas/

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Shows the Falcon is so simple to fly pilot doesn't need a type rating or co-pilot. Maybe the FAA will consider making it SP.

If you have your certs revoked and no type rating why bother with a SIC.

:scratch:

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An affidavit in support of the criminal complaint alleges that Leto’s license was revoked earlier this year, he operated the Falcon without having the required co-pilot, and he was never certified to fly this type of aircraft.


He sure doesn't sound like the type of guy that would get his ticket pulled. :doh:


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there was a possibilty under French "national laws" to get an SP rating for a Falcon 10/100..

not possible anymore, at least in Europe now, since EASA…( I would not know about any grandfather rights..)

The SP Falcon 10/100 was based upon the French Navy "Le Mer"..Falcon 10..

have yet to meet a pilot, familiar with the Falcon 10/100, who did not say that it was the best jet he or she has ever flown…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2pwiEgJAjg


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there was a possibilty under French "national laws" to get an SP rating for a Falcon 10/100..

not possible anymore, at least in Europe now, since EASA…( I would not know about any grandfather rights..)

The SP Falcon 10/100 was based upon the French Navy "Le Mer"..Falcon 10..

have yet to meet a pilot, familiar with the Falcon 10/100, who did not say that it was the best jet he or she has ever flown…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2pwiEgJAjg
Lots of time in both the 10 & 20 years ago. The 10 is a hot rod and a blast where as the 20 is rock solid and smooth. Any airplane with a turbulence penetration speed of VMO/MMO is built like a brick SH!


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Lots of time in both the 10 & 20 years ago. The 10 is a hot rod and a blast where as the 20 is rock solid and smooth. Any airplane with a turbulence penetration speed of VMO/MMO is built like a brick SH!


yes….simply the best….ever..both birds...


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The dream, a Mystère 10 Mer, single pilot :drool:

btw, the story of why it was "renamed' Falcon is a very nice (if not slightly cynical) one. Eurocopter did the same a bit later when it sold the Dauphin to the US Coast Guard.

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There is good article in the current issue of BCA magazine on the Falcon 10/100. Having flown both the Falcon 10 (some) and the Falcon 20 (a lot) my opinion could be considered biased toward the 20. It was built for comfort while the 10 more for speed. Given the same pay scale, I would opt for the 20 hands down. Not sure that I would want to operate either single pilot without some major engineering changes, especially in the 20; maybe not so much so in the 10/100. Both were designed for two pilots and obviously that's how the FAA, and the French DGAC, wanted it to be for civilian operations. Perhaps Gerd and Fabian would have additional comments. However, I must admit that a Falcon 10/100's ramp appearance must be moving at Mmo! I have many good memories in both these fine machines. Ramblings over.


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There is good article in the current issue of BCA magazine on the Falcon 10/100. Having flown both the Falcon 10 (some) and the Falcon 20 (a lot) my opinion could be considered biased toward the 20. It was built for comfort while the 10 more for speed. Given the same pay scale, I would opt for the 20 hands down. Not sure that I would want to operate either single pilot without some major engineering changes, especially in the 20; maybe not so much so in the 10/100. Both were designed for two pilots and obviously that's how the FAA, and the French DGAC, wanted it to be for civilian operations. Perhaps Gerd and Fabian would have additional comments. However, I must admit that a Falcon 10/100's ramp appearance must be moving at Mmo! I have many good memories in both these fine machines. Ramblings over.


Would love to see that article. Not sure I get B/CA now, guess I need to go check the airport restroom for a spare.

As much as I love flying the Lear, I've only ever been told the Falcon is head&shoulders above.

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On the topic of Falcons and MMO, there is this amazing video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bozyHzsvh9Y

Half of it is talking about High Mach flying, the other half is your average French bragging (and rightly so, especially when it comes to Dassault). Around 17min things get very interesting!

Michael I'm so jealous! I still deeply regret an opportunity to be an f/o on a Falcon 200 which completely fell through...

Also, I don't think I'm spilling any secret, but there is at least one Falcon 20 which flies for the CEV and the DGA (flight tests for the army), which was modified to fit any type of radar in the nose.
The copilot side could be "arranged" to reflect the ergonomics of the jetfighter the radar was supposed to be fitted on.
I think it was also used to carry some "interesting" pods before fitting them on Rafale/M2000. Some targets as well.
It was quite awesome to see them at Cazaux. There were plans to have them replaced by a Fokker 100, but I don't know how it went.

Another is still being used by EPNER, the French school for test pilots.

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This guy sounds like an amazing character. I had no idea breaking the FARs could be a criminal complaint.

Perhaps we don't need the government to tell us what's safe or not after all.


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This guy sounds like an amazing character. I had no idea breaking the FARs could be a criminal complaint.

Perhaps we don't need the government to tell us what's safe or not after all.


Well if your certs have already been revoked what else can the government do if you break regs?

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I have a friend, whose ex-wife's, cousin's girlfriend, might have once dated a guy that operated a DA20 as SP @ YIP. Or was it @ PTK? Aw, crap, it may have been @ TOL. But he's dead now. The pilot. Not the cousin. Not the friend.

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I have a friend, whose ex-wife's, cousin's girlfriend, might have once dated a guy that operated a DA20 as SP @ YIP. Or was it @ PTK? Aw, crap, it may have been @ TOL. But he's dead now. The pilot. Not the cousin. Not the friend.


Can you diagram that for me please? :doh:

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Given the same pay scale, I would opt for the 20 hands down. Not sure that I would want to operate either single pilot without some major engineering changes, especially in the 20; maybe not so much so in the 10/100. Both were designed for two pilots and obviously that's how the FAA, and the French DGAC, wanted it to be for civilian operations. Perhaps Gerd and Fabian would have additional comments.


Michael, you sure are absolutely right.

There was however under the national French rules, it was possible to get a single pilot qualification, pilot license and aircraft-wise for the Falcon 10. Dont know what it involved. Several civilian Falcon 10s, had been operated SP in France. But that was before EASA days. Would have to ask some friends whether that was grandfathered on a national level and is still possible in France. And if I remember well that SP assessment of the Falcon10 by DGAC at that time was based on the French Navy F10 Mer.

Maybe Fabien can chime in with some local info on that..

Interesting side note, I do know of one Falcon 10 that had been registered in a country in South East Asia, where the owner had used that original French DGCA SP possibility to qualify that bird SP in that country with it's authorities. But to the best of my knowledge that was the only Falcon 10 outside France certified in that way.

But from it's original design and DGCA certification also the Falcon 10 sure was a two man (gals) crew airplane.


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