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Post subject: Real World Range vs Book Range Posted: 12 May 2016, 12:45 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 8695 Post Likes: +11280 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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I am constantly amazed and disgusted at the amount of inaccurate information about aircraft performance, and range is always the biggest issue.
What is the real world range of your Citation, Pilatus, TBM, Beechjet, Learjet, or King Air?
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 12 May 2016, 12:49 |
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Joined: 01/31/09 Posts: 5193 Post Likes: +3038 Location: Northern NJ
Aircraft: SR22;CJ2+;C510
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Describe your world - winds, ISA, VFR, IFR, distance to alternates?
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 12 May 2016, 13:01 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 8695 Post Likes: +11280 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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I'm thinking "day in and day out" range, in other words I can fly Brand X 1200nm with reserves most of the time. Example: The Premier IA is a 900 - 1000nm airplane day in and out, maybe 1100 on a good day with light load. I recently had a client tell me he wanted a Premier IA, my response was wait, you said you didn't want a Beechjet because of range, so why the Premier? He says the Premier has 1680nm range...  friggin' Wikipedia.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 12 May 2016, 13:12 |
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Joined: 01/31/09 Posts: 5193 Post Likes: +3038 Location: Northern NJ
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1200 nm; 1500 nm to good VFR destination; less to low IFR with far alternate; into a 30kt headwind.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 12 May 2016, 14:21 |
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Joined: 06/09/09 Posts: 4438 Post Likes: +3306
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VFR destination and PD climb/descent 2220 nm if restricted to FL280. That is the book number and it is closer to real world than any model I've seen to date.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 12 May 2016, 15:46 |
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I have generally considered the aircraft I was flying by the hour vs. nm. Too many variables. A standard top it off and fly, I can do 3:45 without thinking, roughly 1000nm. If I want that next 30/45 minutes, I have to do a little work.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 13 May 2016, 00:01 |
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Joined: 08/09/11 Posts: 2077 Post Likes: +2894 Company: Naples Jet Center Location: KAPF KPIA
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Username Protected wrote: I have generally considered the aircraft I was flying by the hour vs. nm. Too many variables. A standard top it off and fly, I can do 3:45 without thinking, roughly 1000nm. If I want that next 30/45 minutes, I have to do a little work. Agree this simplifies life. Some days it makes the brochure look honest, some not so much.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 13 May 2016, 13:36 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 7756 Post Likes: +5118 Location: Live in San Carlos, CA - based Hayward, CA KHWD
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Username Protected wrote: Read it on the internet how could it be WRONG? Versus heard it word of mouth from a 3rd party... How could that possibly go wrong? Written - even on the internet - is typically of better quality than word of mouth. Especially if people write down the assumptions and conditions.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 13 May 2016, 14:08 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2931 Post Likes: +5605 Location: Portland, OR
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Username Protected wrote: I'm thinking "day in and day out" range, in other words I can fly Brand X 1200nm with reserves most of the time. Example: The Premier IA is a 900 - 1000nm airplane day in and out, maybe 1100 on a good day with light load. I recently had a client tell me he wanted a Premier IA, my response was wait, you said you didn't want a Beechjet because of range, so why the Premier? He says the Premier has 1680nm range...  friggin' Wikipedia. You know Wikipedia is editable/correctable, right?
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 13 May 2016, 18:02 |
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Joined: 10/05/09 Posts: 1176 Post Likes: +458 Location: Charleston, SC (KJZI)
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The Phenom 100 is a 900-1100nm airplane with 600lb reserves.
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Post subject: Re: Real World Range vs Book Range aka Chip's pet peeve Posted: 13 May 2016, 18:16 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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My Aero Commander can go 5.5hrs and have a hours worth of fuel on arrival.
Typical cruise speed is 300kts so say 1650nm range.
Not quite sure what altitude people are using to figure their reserve fuel time?
I am using low altitude fuel burn.
I am very conservative and normally like a 5 hour leg (1500nm) and 1.5 Hr fuel remaining.
Maybe that will change with time.
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