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So, lets say someone lost his mind and decided that he wanted to own a helicopter, just theoretically, not that I would know someone like that, where would he go to buy one ? :whistle:


What's the story on the different models. 300C, 300CB, 300CBI ? Any substantial differences ?

How do the different component times play out in the Schweizer ? Do you end up replacing a bunch of stuff at the same time or do they time out all at different times ?

With the three blade rotor, how much hangar footprint would it require ? Is there a way to swing the blades in parallel for storage ?

What is a reasonable estimate on range ?

Hours vs. age. Have there been any substantial improvements/disimprovements between lets say a 1979 and a 2006 model ?

Just asking for a friend.


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Tell your friend to look at a Rotorway Talon 600 instead. If he’s got the swagger, most definitely the turbine version. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Schweizer 300
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I "lost my mind and decided that I wanted to own a helicopter" last fall. (That's an amazingly accurate description :peace: )

I researched several different piston helicopters. Currently, a lot of the Schweizer fleet is down waiting on parts that are un-obtainable. The new owners of the type certificate claim they will be building parts "this year" and building new helicopters "next year". Between the parts uncertainty and the fact that they are REAAAALLLY slow, I decided to look elsewhere.

I have not flown one, but you might look at Enstroms too. They are well supported. However, a lot of the lowest priced ships have not had the TT-strap conversion done yet.

In the end, I bought a Robinson R44 Raven I. The one I bought is nearing overhaul, but the hanger it stays in belongs to a Robinson Service Center (a friend is the service center owner). Buying a nearly timed out ship is going to allow me to "buy" it in two stages, instead of coming up with the capital all at once.

Overall, I have been happy with the decision to go with the R44; I really like having hydraulics. It provides a lot of capability for the the cost. The few small parts I've needed have arrived in a couple of days.


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So, lets say someone lost his mind and decided that he wanted to own a helicopter, just theoretically, not that I would know someone like that, where would he go to buy one ? :whistle:


What's the story on the different models. 300C, 300CB, 300CBI ? Any substantial differences ?

How do the different component times play out in the Schweizer ? Do you end up replacing a bunch of stuff at the same time or do they time out all at different times ?

With the three blade rotor, how much hangar footprint would it require ? Is there a way to swing the blades in parallel for storage ?

What is a reasonable estimate on range ?

Hours vs. age. Have there been any substantial improvements/disimprovements between lets say a 1979 and a 2006 model ?

Just asking for a friend.

Florian,

A local guy bought one but didn't have a license so I got checked out on one and was flying it for him. Didn't fly it much (~10 hours last year). We are also based at 3,000' ASL and with full fuel, he and I were pretty much at gross weight so this factors into my comments.

I personally would NOT consider one unless it was fuel injected. The amount of power lost with the carb heat on was significant. Based on the carb temp gauge, the carb heat was required most of the time.

The component times (unlike the Robinsons) come up "whenever".

There is no simple way to make the blades parallel that I am aware of.

Range? 3 hours to empty. Never could get book speed. More like 70 Knots, 65 if we were heavy and it was a hot day. YMMV.

I did fly it myself (i.e. light) for a post-maintenance test flight in January (i.e. lower density altitude). Flew MUCH nicer that way :D

Anecdotally, seemed to be in the shop a lot more than my '47 but it hadn't flown much before I flew it so might be catch up stuff.

I'll PM you my phone#, if your "friend" is serious "he" is more than welcome to give me a call.

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Florian,

Come to Nashville and I'll give you a complimentary ride in a R44 or R22. I'm not doing you any favors, you will be in a mad scramble for your checkbook to get one afterwards :D

I don't know anything about the Schweizers, but I hear they are good ships and there is a guy at John Tune who is a legitimate expert on them.

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Currently, a lot of the Schweizer fleet is down waiting on parts that are un-obtainable.


Does that include the main rotor blades? When training in a 300 a while back I was told the blades would very soon need replacement - with unavailable blades.

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Bummer about the parts. Did Schweizer go out of business ?

I crawled all over an Enstrom at OSH some years back. This was after the sale to the chinese and the gentleman I spoke to was happy with the new owners. They seem to be chugging along at low rate production. One can hope that they stay in business.

As for the Robies. I am 6'3" 184lbs. unless find a 16 year old ballerina flight instructor, I don't see a R22 working out. When you look at R44s you are starting cirrus level capital investment, and at that point I might as well start with a jet-ranger.


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I took a ride/flight in a BO-105 and a Bell 222. The 222 was over the top nice but the BO-105 seemed like something actually obtainable. Twin turbines, $200K, 50 GPH. I've been thinking about this also and the idea of 2 jet engines is very appealing. I've also flown the Safari which I liked very much too.


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I took a ride/flight in a BO-105 and a Bell 222. The 222 was over the top nice but the BO-105 seemed like something actually obtainable. Twin turbines, $200K, 50 GPH. I've been thinking about this also and the idea of 2 jet engines is very appealing. I've also flown the Safari which I liked very much too.


Well, there is a Bo105 with a experimental exhibition registration for sale. Probably surplus french or german military. Pretty sure it burns more than 50gph.

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... itt-bo-105

Downside, all the restrictions of experimental exhibition. Upside, you can do light aerobatics with it:

http://youtu.be/qpg0iShxolc


One of the career paths I was looking at in the 80s was to join the german army in the helicopter pilot track. Then Gorbatchev happened and suddenly hunting for T72s in the Fulda gap wasn't as much of a priority as it had been up to that point.


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There is a BO105 guy running around FL on an experimental cert. I talked to him quite a bit at a fly in last year and wanted to ask for a ride but he was packing up to leave. I left lusting at his aircraft.


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This came up next. Every time someone is clutching their pearls about how unsafe it is to exit an aircraft with the engine running, I have to think about helicopter Ag operations:

http://youtu.be/67A9PZLCtHY


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I flew with a 212 pilot spraying avocados in Cali and it was probably the most acrobatic flight I have ever experienced. It was awesome and terrifying in the same moment.

When I grow up, I want to be a hello pilot.


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Bummer about the parts. Did Schweizer go out of business ?


https://www.flyingmag.com/schweizer-s-3 ... y-sikorsky

Sold to Schweizer RSG. I spoke to them at Heli-Expo last month. They say they are restarting production of parts working through the list of what is critical. Not sure exactly where they are at with that at this time.

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When you look at R44s you are starting cirrus level capital investment, and at that point I might as well start with a jet-ranger.


It depends on what you want. If you don't need the latest avionics or the shiniest paint, there are some to be had for a reasonable price. There are deals to be had for Raven I's; Raven II's tend to command a higher price.


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Bummer about the parts. Did Schweizer go out of business ?


https://www.flyingmag.com/schweizer-s-3 ... y-sikorsky

Sold to Schweizer RSG. I spoke to them at Heli-Expo last month. They say they are restarting production of parts working through the list of what is critical. Not sure exactly where they are at with that at this time.

Glenn


I read somewhere that the fleet size for Hughes 269 and Schweizers is around 3000. You would think that it is a sustainable business to provide parts.

Has there been any depression of prices due to the parts issue ?



Let me see if I have this right:

Hughes 269A/TH55 60s/70s vintage with carbed engines 180hp

Hughes/Schweizer 300C 70s-now. Carbed 190hp engine (spins at 3200rpm :bugeye: ). Utility versions, sprayers, lift hooks.

Schweizer 300CB post 1995-now. Carbed 180hp engine, 2700rpm. Big shocks on the gear. Designed as trainer.

Schweizer 300CBi 2000s-now. FI engine, 180hp, big shocks, designed as trainer. Also electronic control of the belt clutch and rev limiter. Designed as trainer.

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