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 Post subject: Video: Owner Chooses to Destroy RV-8 Due to Liability
PostPosted: 31 Oct 2015, 12:02 
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This guy is a good friend of mine. He lost his medical a few years ago and has waited patiently for the FAA's medical reform. He finally lost patience and went light-sport with an RV-12, manufactured by Vans, not kit-built. He is a somewhat eccentric very high net-worth individual who is scared of the liability in selling the RV-8 he built a few years ago. He has an odd sense of humor and had his daughter make this video. I'm posting it with his permission. If you know him, please keep his identity confidential. The video is about 6 1/2 minutes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zLO5Sem6Ew

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How is he flying LSA if he "lost" his medical?


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He could've let it expire and go LSA, which is what some pilots do if they know they won't qualify the next time around rather than submit an application and get a denial letter.

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if they know they won't qualify the next time around


Which means they aren't legal to fly LSA either.

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Good for him. He built it and he can destroy it. That'll teach those filthy lawyers. :doh:

Another option, however, might be to remove the data plates, de-register the aircraft with the FAA, and donate it to an A&P school with the stipulation that it can never be flown again.


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So sad our country has come to something like this. It isn't hard to understand where this gentleman is coming from though.

An aside.... What is the hex all about in the video title? I didn't try to figure it out or anything, but it must have some meaning.

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How is he flying LSA if he "lost" his medical?


Doesn't LSA not require medical?


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if they know they won't qualify the next time around


Which means they aren't legal to fly LSA either.


Nah, it doesn't mean they aren't legal to fly, it means they haven't been denied a medical. Some folks don't feel like going through the FAA Aeromedical Special Issuance process, which ultimately issues medicals to some 99% of its applicants anyway, but at great personal expense, time, trouble and incovenience. Then they have to resubmit a ream of paperwork on a regular basis. I went through the process -- it took nearly 10 months to get a medical issued, and I had to fly with other pilots until mine came through. And that was 12 months after my doctors said my condition had cleared up and I was fit to fly, drive and do anything except get on another skim board at the beach (which is what caused the condition in the first place, but that's another story). Some folks just aren't willing to do that. They see it as a complete waste of time, energy and money. And it is, IMO.
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if they know they won't qualify the next time around


Which means they aren't legal to fly LSA either.


What do you mean Scott? Plenty of LSA pilots are avoiding the medical SI process and are flying LSA's. I have a friend right now who has some lingering issues thanks to a bizarre dog walking injury and was just told by AOPA medical services last week to let his current medical lapse in order to preserve his LSA privileges.

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He lost his medical.
He isn't legal to fly LSA either.

You can let the medical expire and go fly LSA but if you have a disqualifying condition (hence the lost medical) you can't fly LSA either.

I don't believe LSA allows you to fly with an otherwise disqualifying condition but I may be wrong. ..............and we can discuss the reality of that in the hangar.

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Poor choice of words - He didn't "lose" his medical. He had a heart event and was told it would be unlikely he would be eligible for a special issuance.

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Poor choice of words - He didn't "lose" his medical. He had a heart event and was told it would be unlikely he would be eligible for a special issuance.

And so, like Scott said, it's unlikely he's legal to fly as a Sport Pilot. It's one thing to go SP because you don't want to hassle with Special Issuances. It's another thing entirely to have a disqualifying condition, be aware of it, and continue to fly.

Sport Pilot allows self-certification. That isn't the same as flying with known disqualifications.

As for this RV-8, IMHO he could have protected his assets and still put the airplane to better use than this little tantrum.


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What a shame. The RV-8 is a great plane.

I understand the thought process, but think he was going to extremes to make his point.

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What do you mean Scott? Plenty of LSA pilots are avoiding the medical SI process and are flying LSA's. I have a friend right now who has some lingering issues thanks to a bizarre dog walking injury and was just told by AOPA medical services last week to let his current medical lapse in order to preserve his LSA privileges.


If you have a disqualifying condition for your 3rd class medical then you aren't legal to fly LSA.

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I have a friend who did the same thing. He had an RV-8 that he built and had pretty much stopped flying, wanted the engine for another project, so he just dismantled the RV and hung it in a storage area. He said he was going to destroy it and may have. I haven't talked to him in quite a while.

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