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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 09:53 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 404 Post Likes: +247 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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Rocky,
Are you flying N200WM? That our plane in the 80’s. WM is for William McKay, the friend who sold my dad the plane. We flew it out of 2600 ft in South Texas. I think Bill flew it out of his shorter ranch strip west of Fort Worth. Many fond memories of that airplane from the right seat.
Ed Lasater
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 11:52 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 404 Post Likes: +247 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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Small world. McKay put the STOL kit on it. As part of the demo, they did a single engine takeoff. Glad the airplane is still flying.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 14:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Small world. McKay put the STOL kit on it. As part of the demo, they did a single engine takeoff. Glad the airplane is still flying. A single engine takeoff in a C340? Sorry, but I gotta call BS on that. You can't (at least I couldn't) taxi it on one engine in a straight line. I just don't see how you could possibly track a straight line to take off.
_________________ Jay
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 15:06 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 404 Post Likes: +247 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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Single engine take-off in 421B with Robertson Stol. The story was conveyed to me by the owner of the plane/passenger.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 15:11 |
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Joined: 07/24/14 Posts: 1761 Post Likes: +2220
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Username Protected wrote: Single engine take-off in 421B with Robertson Stol. The story was conveyed to me by the owner of the plane/passenger. Fair enough, I only have stick time in the 340.
_________________ Jay
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 15:12 |
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Just to be clear, I heard the story in the late 1980's- and I wasn't there when it happened. I am not going to the mat over the veracity, just saying what I remember hearing.
Ed
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 15:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: I agree with Jay... It's just about impossible to taxi a 421 on one engine also, much less try a takeoff. Runway length wouldn't be the issue as much as trying to keep it on the runway... I have seen this posted before. The answer provided (again, no idea on veracity); was a single engine takeoff was simulating a V1 cut. So the plane was above MVC, but not yet at rotation speed when they shutdown the engine. My info is not even second hand. More like third, and from the internet. Hopefully someone else can provide some real data. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 08 Jan 2020, 20:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back in the 1950’s Piper removed one prop from a 150 HP Apache and put it the cabin. The TWO pilots then did a SE takeoff and flew from Texas to Florida if I remember correctly. Gerald, I think that was the Twin Commander. "The Aero Commander was capable of taking off, flying and landing on a single engine while maintaining a high degree of stability. To prove this, and to enhance market recognition of the plane, in May of 1951, the Company successfully completed a flight from Oklahoma City to Washington DC loaded to full gross weight with one propeller removed from the plane. This was a first for the aviation industry and a strong demonstration of the asymmetric control and responsiveness of the Aero Commander."
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 08 Jan 2020, 22:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back in the 1950’s Piper removed one prop from a 150 HP Apache and put it the cabin. The TWO pilots then did a SE takeoff and flew from Texas to Florida if I remember correctly. Gerald, I think that was the Twin Commander. "The Aero Commander was capable of taking off, flying and landing on a single engine while maintaining a high degree of stability. To prove this, and to enhance market recognition of the plane, in May of 1951, the Company successfully completed a flight from Oklahoma City to Washington DC loaded to full gross weight with one propeller removed from the plane. This was a first for the aviation industry and a strong demonstration of the asymmetric control and responsiveness of the Aero Commander."
There was a Commander 500 that flew with one prop before the Apache . The Apache was the second to successfully accomplish this feat.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 08 Jan 2020, 23:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Back in the 1950’s Piper removed one prop from a 150 HP Apache and put it the cabin. The TWO pilots then did a SE takeoff and flew from Texas to Florida if I remember correctly. Gerald, I think that was the Twin Commander. "The Aero Commander was capable of taking off, flying and landing on a single engine while maintaining a high degree of stability. To prove this, and to enhance market recognition of the plane, in May of 1951, the Company successfully completed a flight from Oklahoma City to Washington DC loaded to full gross weight with one propeller removed from the plane. This was a first for the aviation industry and a strong demonstration of the asymmetric control and responsiveness of the Aero Commander." Given that without the Geronimo upgrade an Apache can barely stay in the air with only one engine it did seem rather hard to believe that one was possible to take off with only one engine.
_________________ -lance
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