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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 19:33 |
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Joined: 01/06/13 Posts: 89 Post Likes: +18 Location: Central Florida
Aircraft: Chancellor MD500 R22
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I own a 414A with R stol. I landed at Everglades City the other day, 2400’, I was heavy on fuel but light in the cabin, I believe I could have turned off midfield with very heavy breaking, but let it roll to the end. You can get parts for the system but I can’t rember the company at the moment. RAWL
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 19:52 |
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Joined: 01/06/13 Posts: 89 Post Likes: +18 Location: Central Florida
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I believe a couple years ago, and I believe you are correct about Serra industries. RAWL
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 20:27 |
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Joined: 01/24/10 Posts: 6759 Post Likes: +4423 Location: Concord , CA (KCCR)
Aircraft: 1967 Baron B55
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Username Protected wrote: I believe a couple years ago, and I believe you are correct about Serra industries. RAWL Sierra Industries is no longer in business. BK? The RSTOL STC and the very few parts that remained have gone missing: RSTOL planes are now orphaned.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 20:47 |
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Joined: 01/06/13 Posts: 89 Post Likes: +18 Location: Central Florida
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It looks like Spring Aviation LTD. may be producing parts now. Not sure I haven’t checked. RAWL
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 21:06 |
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Joined: 01/24/10 Posts: 6759 Post Likes: +4423 Location: Concord , CA (KCCR)
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Username Protected wrote: It looks like Spring Aviation LTD. may be producing parts now. Not sure I haven’t checked. RAWL That would be good news. Unfortunately the demand for New RSTOL at their new prices is close to zero. Hopefully they will make a few parts on demand.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 21:34 |
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Joined: 01/06/13 Posts: 89 Post Likes: +18 Location: Central Florida
Aircraft: Chancellor MD500 R22
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I know what you mean about the prices. I understand the price was 75,000 for the twin cessnas at that time, I have no idea what it would be now. RAWL
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 22:03 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5470 Post Likes: +6188 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
Aircraft: 1979 Bonanza A36
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Username Protected wrote: Doug,
If you don't mind me asking...
If someone wanted to re-create your bird as it is now: R-STOL, new interior, new paint, G500 w/ 750's with RAM VI or RAM VII engines, what would you say is a reasonable budget to acquire such a bird?
2nd question... of the limited supply of R-STOL C340's, how many are FIKI? Can you still have an R-STOL kit installed today?
3rd question...what did you have to do to get your engines running LOP well? Was it just a matter of installed GAMI's or was it more than that? How smoothly does it run LOP? 30gph vs. 40 gph make a HUGE difference in DOC's. Thanks for the complement Don! Just one small correction, my field is 2,300 instead of 3,000'. If you found a good airframe, and best I can tell there are less than 10 flying today, it would cost you around $500,000 to replicate my plane. Unfortunately mine is not FIKI, but I know of at least two that are. I know of one very good candidate that could be the queen of the fleet. As for LOP, we installed GAMI's and made sure the ignition system was tip top, and the engines are very smooth at 30gph/ 33"mp, and 2,300rpm. I need new plugs, and we are doing a top overhaul right now, so that should make mine run very well. You are right about DOC cost, but the best benefit is range. With 200 gallons of fuel on board, I have over 1,000 miles of range with 600lbs of payload. I can also go 800 miles with 800lbs of payload. That is almost a 300 mile range extension vs. running ROP.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 22:09 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5470 Post Likes: +6188 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
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As for parts.... It's really not a big deal. Don't forget, human hands made these parts, so human hands can make new ones. With the magic of 5 axis CNC machines, 3D printing, and laser scanning, there is nothing on this system that cannot be duplicated. And I can almost guarantee it will be cheaper than the factory parts, if you happen to find them. The freedom to produce parts yourself makes this a relative painless process. In 4 years I have only needed to rebuild my flap gearbox, and that cost less than $400.00. A new box from Sierra was going to be $6,000.00 with a 3 month lead time. I have sources for all of this if needed by anyone.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna 340 vs 414 vs the 421 Posted: 05 Jan 2020, 23:24 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5470 Post Likes: +6188 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
Aircraft: 1979 Bonanza A36
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Username Protected wrote: On the STOL issue, I'll mention I know someone who bases his non-STOL 340 at a 2500' field. He says you just have to be careful about weight and DA, and he flies a long stabilized final. For me, it's really take-off that is uncomfortable on short fields, not landing. With micro VG's I don't think that would be an issue. I rotate at 75 knots and fly off at 80knots from my field, which is about 10 knots over Vmc. If I lose one at rotation I will have to do everything right or its going to be a bad day, but that is a very small window of less than 5 seconds. I limit my operations here at the house to 500# below gross and that gives me pretty good performance. It's not for everyone, and I try to mitigate the risk as much as possible with good maintenance and training.
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