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 Post subject: Re: Turbo Commander
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Well, then my numbers are wrong. I don't like this feeling. I think I might have to cry...:sad:

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Thanks for the video Adam.
I'm missing flying so much it hurts...


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Thanks for the video Adam.
I'm missing flying so much it hurts...


Tell me about it... :roll:

How far before you can take to the skies again?

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Thanks for the video Adam.
I'm missing flying so much it hurts...


Tell me about it... :roll:

How far before you can take to the skies again?

I've heard "the end of xxx month" with a few different months so far, now they are speaking in weeks or end of the month... I'm hoping to be flying in early November.
The frustrating bit of the first stage of a repair like this is that for much of the time you, as a viewer, see no difference, while they verify wires, pull wires and the like. They are now at the point of installing new wires, buying new displays, finishing the new physical panel... that's progress. This is going to cost more to fix than my first couple planes each cost to purchase (and they were working, I flew them home from the closing, basically).
Steve has a lovely bird.
When is yours airborne again?

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I've heard "the end of xxx month" with a few different months so far, now they are speaking in weeks or end of the month... I'm hoping to be flying in early November.
The frustrating bit of the first stage of a repair like this is that for much of the time you, as a viewer, see no difference, while they verify wires, pull wires and the like. They are now at the point of installing new wires, buying new displays, finishing the new physical panel... that's progress. This is going to cost more to fix than my first couple planes each cost to purchase (and they were working, I flew them home from the closing, basically).
Steve has a lovely bird.
When is yours airborne again?


Everything takes forever. I'm taking care of the cabin leaks now, changing a few windows and putting winglets on, after that she still needs some troubleshooting with the avionics (although I think we've solved most of them) and the the interior put in. If it's done in less than a month, I'll be eating my hat.

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I saw three Commanders on the ramp at Twin Falls, Idaho today.

Is there a Commander shop up here?

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I saw three Commanders on the ramp at Twin Falls, Idaho today.

Is there a Commander shop up here?


Hi Casey - Spur Aviation is located there. They provide air attack platforms and are a small family business - super high quality folks. The Commanders have long been the preferred vehicle for fire fighting due to visibility and performance. I just took my 500B to Twin for avionics as well. Was there last Thursday in fact. Ferried a couple planes out of Porterville, CA. It was quite an adventure.

I have a couple Shrikes for sale as the turbines are replacing the pistons. I understand the Shrikes do a great job but the government has taken a liking to turbine power. :)


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I'm up here with a 350 doing flight testing.

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I'm needing some 690A maintenance in the Salt Lake City area. Anyone have experience in this area they can share?


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Maybe fueled by having a downturn in business, and all the jet talk in a few threads had me realizing just how good I have it with my antique. My dreams of an Avanti are definitely on hold.

What I got is: new panel, new avionics, new radar, does 250kts straight up and can fly for 1100nm at a fraction of a cost of anything newer. Not only that, it has no recurring inspections, no gear overhauls, no wing spar inspections. It has alcohol windshield that cost $11K to replace brand new, whereas two heated windscreens on the later 690 series is $110k! It has inexpensive -1 engines and is cheap to insure.

Where else can you get this kind of performance for sub-$300K? Has to be one of the most economical turbine twins there are to run. Maybe a -1 powered MU-2F comes in the same ballpark? Maybe a vintage Merlin?

Be happy with what you got, is the lesson I just learned. :thumbup:

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it has no recurring inspections

Wow, that's amazing.

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I should say no major ones. ;)

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Maybe fueled by having a downturn in business, and all the jet talk in a few threads had me realizing just how good I have it with my antique. My dreams of an Avanti are definitely on hold.

What I got is: new panel, new avionics, new radar, does 250kts straight up and can fly for 1100nm at a fraction of a cost of anything newer. Not only that, it has no recurring inspections, no gear overhauls, no wing spar inspections. It has alcohol windshield that cost $11K to replace brand new, whereas two heated windscreens on the later 690 series is $110k! It has inexpensive -1 engines and is cheap to insure.

Where else can you get this kind of performance for sub-$300K? Has to be one of the most economical turbine twins there are to run. Maybe a -1 powered MU-2F comes in the same ballpark? Maybe a vintage Merlin?

Be happy with what you got, is the lesson I just learned. :thumbup:

Adam my friend, it sounds to me like you’ve got one hell of a nice ride in that 680V. When our schedules allow, I’d like to run over to El Monte and get the grand tour. Any idea how many 680V’s are still active in the USA?

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Adam my friend, it sounds to me like you’ve got one hell of a nice ride in that 680V. When our schedules allow, I’d like to run over to El Monte and get the grand tour. Any idea how many 680V’s are still active in the USA?


Anytime, Sven!

Very few, I would think maybe 5 are still active. Department of Highways in Montana flies the most - think they might have 2 in active duty. 681's are a little more common, but also a dying breed. Most of them with the -1 conversion. I know of just one that still flies with the original -43's. Most of them have ended up at technical colleges for A&P's to train on. And with the original 2000hr TBO -43 engines, who can blame them? They had wheezy performance and the overhaul costs pretty much as high as a 5400hr engine.

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From the Commander Forum by 980 owner Don V in Oregon:

I just took a group from HIO to Hamilton Montana. We had 12 people, so 6 went in the 980, and 6 in a King Air 350i. It was an interesting comparison... we took exactly the same amount of time (to the minute, according to FlightAware), and the King Air guy told me he burned about 1,000 pounds. I burned about 650...

We were filed the exact same altitudes and speeds... We both went to FL270. To be honest, I was surprised because I thought the King Air 350 would be a few knots faster, but apparently not. The King Air guy told me he typically sees 295-300, which is about the same as the 980.


Sorry, had to.. ;) :stir:

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