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 Post subject: Re: Citation owners and pilots
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Have you applied for overflight/landing permits from Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia or aircraft resident papers in Paraguay? I have spoken to the aviation authorities in these countries about this. Did not dream any of it up :shrug:

What is the STC number for your two crew citation that allows you to fly around the world single pilot?


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I know getting a SP approval for some 2-man crew aircraft (if not all) does require a STC. For example, getting a SP approval for a Citation V involves modifications such as moving the gear handle from the right side to the left side (within pilot's reach), which requires a STC.

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Someone informed me that my SPE (single pilot exemption) for the citation V was invalid for Mexico trips. I have a hunting trip scheduled on the 22nd with 5 guys expecting me to fly us. Any updates on this thread or real world experience flying in Mexico using the SPE?


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SPE is only valid in the United States. You are required to have two pilots for operations in Mexico. I believe second pilot also has to have a SIC rating.

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I do not know of any SPE that is valid in Mexico and yes the SIC will need a SIC Type. Around 10 years ago I heard of an Ultra that was impounded in Mexico because there was only one pilot. I do not know the outcome but the info came from the head of the Citation program at a large trainging department.


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SPE is only valid in the United States. You are required to have two pilots for operations in Mexico. I believe second pilot also has to have a SIC rating.

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San Carlos and Cabo with zero issue ymmv. Paging Alex G

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SPE is only valid in the United States. You are required to have two pilots for operations in Mexico. I believe second pilot also has to have a SIC rating.

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I have done it to
San Carlos and Cabo with zero issue ymmv. Paging Alex G

Your CJ is single pilot. Did you do it in a 560?
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San Carlos and Cabo with zero issue ymmv. Paging Alex G

Your CJ is single pilot. Did you do it in a 560?


My Mustang has never been to Mexico with me as the pilot. I did it three times in 550s. I was SPE.

I also did it in a 550 with Allen Wolpert as my SIC who we got signed off the day before as he was not typed in the 500 series. That's a trip we will never ever forget eh Allen? Total clown show having nothing to do with flying.
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I have done it to
San Carlos and Cabo with zero issue ymmv. Paging Alex G

Your CJ is single pilot. Did you do it in a 560?


My Mustang has never been to Mexico with me as the pilot. I did it three times in 550s. I was SPE.

I also did it in a 550 with Allen Wolpert as my SIC who we got signed off the day before as he was not typed in the 500 series. That's a trip we will never ever forget eh Allen? Total clown show having nothing to do with flying.[/quote]


so you're saying it not an issue?

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My Mustang has never been to Mexico with me as the pilot. I did it three times in 550s. I was SPE.

I also did it in a 550 with Allen Wolpert as my SIC who we got signed off the day before as he was not typed in the 500 series. That's a trip we will never ever forget eh Allen? Total clown show having nothing to do with flying.



so you're saying it not an issue?

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My Mustang has never been to Mexico with me as the pilot. I did it three times in 550s. I was SPE.

I also did it in a 550 with Allen Wolpert as my SIC who we got signed off the day before as he was not typed in the 500 series. That's a trip we will never ever forget eh Allen? Total clown show having nothing to do with flying.



so you're saying it not an issue?[/quote]

Please let us know how “But they said on Beechtalk it would be fine” works out with the Commandante.

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Yeah didn't Alex G help a guy get his bonanza back this summer too? If so that's amazing BT support but.....totally not worth the risk IMHO. Travelling planes are for convenience right? Getting your plane or yourself stuck in Mexico would NOT be convenient.

Think all it took was the right papers, probably small green(ish) rectangular ones


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It’s not valid outside the US. Only question is if the person you happen to deal with looks or cares.

I used to have a 3rd class medical. I had lots of issues with that internationally so I got a second class. Still have one country (Peru) that would not accept saying that ICAO rules are that an ATP has to be accompanied by a 1st class medical. Who knows maybe that worker is gone and the new one will be fine again with second class medical.


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Only question is if the person you happen to deal with looks or cares.


This is the problem with Mexico. I don't have anything to add with respect to the SPE, but I hunted in Mexico every year with some buddies, once of which who has family there and knows the right people. After 3 years of jumping thru different hoops, I had enough. We did the same thing every year and it was something different every time. You just don't know what you are going to get and I wouldn't roll the dice on anything just because one person didn't have an issue with it.


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Nearly all my Citation time is flying to Mexico as SIC. No one around here goes down there in a 560 without two pilots. Upon landing they've always taken both of our pilot certs away for a short time.

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