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 Post subject: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2015, 10:54 
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Good Morning All,

Just thought I would check in here and see if anyone had any suggestions for a 421 experienced test pilot in the Manassas, VA area. We have a plane in prebuy out there and need to find someone to take the plane up, put it through its paces and give us a squawk report before we make the trek out to give it our final stamp of approval.

Let me know if you or anyone you know might be qualified and interested.

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John IV


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
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John - if you hire Juan Oviedo of DFWAM, he will inspect the airplane, decide whether it is safe to fly, and then put it through its paces giving you a complete squawk list. He is a a twin cessna expert, his shop is one of the best in the country and he will fly to where the airplane is along with one of his top mechanics.

Give him a call - +1 (972) 250-2403 and see if you can work something out with him. You will be in very good hands for a pre-buy.


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
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he will fly to where the airplane is along with one of his top mechanics. .


What does a prebuy like that typicall cost?

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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
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he will fly to where the airplane is along with one of his top mechanics. .


What does a prebuy like that typicall cost?

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Not much more than a regular pre buy and you get one of the more knowledgeable teams out there to look the plane over. I believe a good amount of the pre buys DFWAM does are done by traveling to the airplane. Two airline tickets and hotel is cheaper than flying across the country. Also what's the cost of a prebuy done by someone who misses half the important stuff?

A good prebuy is one of the better investments you'll make on a plane.

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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
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What does a prebuy like that typicall cost?

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Not much more than a regular pre buy and you get one of the more knowledgeable teams out there to look the plane over.


OK, what does a regular pre buy cost? $1000, 10,000$?

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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: 421 Test Pilot - Manassas, VA Area
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What does a prebuy like that typicall cost?

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Not much more than a regular pre buy and you get one of the more knowledgeable teams out there to look the plane over.


OK, what does a regular pre buy cost? $1000, 10,000$?

Vince


Vince - I don't know - I would call them if you are interested. That said, I doubt it would be as low as 1000 or as high as 10,000. Here is what they say about Prepurchase Inspections and their flat rates for doing them - I believe in looking over a potential purchase, the travel costs of having them go and look at the aircraft - and fly it - is a minor item. Having someone knowledgeable on your side/team is invaluable.

http://www.dfwaero.com/cgi-bin/waa1gate ... B1=Y&SB2=Y

Juan O. helped me with the purchase of my Citation which was located at ICT. He also traveled all the way to Washington state to help Doug Jackson buy his STOL equipped 340.

Last year he traveled to North Texas for someone who was about to pull the trigger on a 414 after a local mechanic had kicked the tires. After the first hour of looking at the plane and records, he decided it was unsafe to even try to fly. The deal did not go through. Sadly, the guy that did buy it a few weeks later ended up crashing on the trip home (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rport.html). An extreme example, but if I was on the market for a twin Cessna, I would call Juan or Tony Saxton and have them assist me - regardless of where the airplane was located. If I was in the market for a B58P Baron, I think I would call Don Lawrenz.

For complex aircraft like these, unless you are an expert on the make and model, get the best help you can get in the aircraft you want to buy.

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It is not always feasible, but in my case, my pre buys have been annuals (Doc 10 for the Citation) with all AW items the sellers responsibility with acceptance after they are addressed. This will be one of the cheaper annuals you'll make.


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I'm with Alex on this. Juan did my pre purchase in California and then we flew the plane back to Dallas together. Fun trip!

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I would contact the Twin Cessna Owners Group. They have some very knowledgeable people in that organization.
www.twincessna.org


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Call RAM and talk to David Seesing. Get him to send you the RAM Pre and Post Mod flight checklist. It's the best way to check all systems on the plane and any competent 421 pilot can do it.


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