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 Post subject: Re: Aerostars
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My first upgrade would be to add the winglets. I think they make a real difference in the operation and look cool. Second I would add 6 puck brakes because stopping always seems to be a challenge on short fields.


Yeah, the 6-pucks are a great addition. Forgot about them.

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Many thanks Adam, Erik, Jim, Tim, and Walter. Really appreciate the advice, and will follow!!! I already asked for a quote from Aerostar Corp. I'll keep you posted on the work.
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A previous owner of my Aerostar had a 5-puck system installed, callipers on one side were 2's and on the other side 3's. Excellent results and the rotors seem to love the arrangement.

One less set of seals to leak - but same clamping forces

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A previous owner of my Aerostar had a 5-puck system installed, callipers on one side were 2's and on the other side 3's. Excellent results and the rotors seem to love the arrangement.

One less set of seals to leak - but same clamping forces

Bob

One side had to be better than the other....or am I missing something?


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6 puck breaks are 3 pucks in the rear and 3 pucks in the front of EACH wheel, for 12 total on the plane.

The gentleman described a 5 puck system with 3 on the rear and 2 on the front of each wheel for 10 total on the plane. Left/Right still balanced...with 5 each.


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Thanks Paul...now it makes sense


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To be more precise, I should have said "inboard and outboard" relating to the brake rotor itself.

Someone once told me the 5-pucks performed better than the six puck, but that's hard to believe. Brakes on aircraft - at least the GA category are just so much less effective than what we are used to in cars.

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In my Columbia 350 once I push power past 25” MP brakes will not hold

In my Aerostar with six pucks I hold the brakes until 42” confirmed then let go

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In my Columbia 350 once I push power past 25” MP brakes will not hold

In my Aerostar with six pucks I hold the brakes until 42” confirmed then let go


Brad,

It is not an unusual practice for pilots to come to takeoff power before beginning the roll, but there are cautions. Without forward movement, sand and dust particles are drawn into the props and will cause blade tip erosion; sometimes at alarming rates. So, pay close attention.

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THANKS JOHN,

Probably not necessary on my 7000 foot runway.
Early on someone gave me advice to push to 42" confirmed so as to maintain full attention to center line and other engine parameters on take off. I think my small brain is catching up to this wonderful plane a bit now.

Please let me know how much power you would put in before releasing brakes

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THANKS JOHN,

Probably not necessary on my 7000 foot runway.
Early on someone gave me advice to push to 42" confirmed so as to maintain full attention to center line and other engine parameters on take off. I think my small brain is catching up to this wonderful plane a bit now.

Please let me know how much power you would put in before releasing brakes


On a 7000 runway. Never. Line up, bring power up slowly over a period of a few seconds to keep it even. Learn your plane, so you know which engine pulls a little stronger at each general area of the throttle. I actually on a 5K runway did this a few times to get a feel. Once I was at full throttle, I waited a couple of seconds then cut to idle and taxi back and do it again.
Only time I brought full power standing on the brakes was on a short 3K runway where I had to back taxi to get to the end.
As a general rule, you can carry five maybe ten miles an hour from the taxi way onto the runway and advance the throttle as you turn. A couple of heart beats after you finish the turn you are at full throttle. This has consistently taken less runway than a full stop.

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THANKS JOHN,

Probably not necessary on my 7000 foot runway.
Early on someone gave me advice to push to 42" confirmed so as to maintain full attention to center line and other engine parameters on take off. I think my small brain is catching up to this wonderful plane a bit now.

Please let me know how much power you would put in before releasing brakes



I would always bring the power up far enough to get the turbos on spool (about 30 inches - you can tell when the turbos come up), give a careful lookover of the engine guages, then advance the rest of the way smoothly after releasing the brakes and letting the airplane roll. If the power comes up unevenly to the degree you need major corrective action you have engine setup problems to chase.

Very high power with no forward movement providing airflow, and rapid movement to max power are very high strain on those engines. People go nutso about shock cooling, but if you look at the temperature change at initial power up it it a far more harsh change then any shock cooling you will see.


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THANKS JOHN,

Probably not necessary on my 7000 foot runway.
Early on someone gave me advice to push to 42" confirmed so as to maintain full attention to center line and other engine parameters on take off. I think my small brain is catching up to this wonderful plane a bit now.

Please let me know how much power you would put in before releasing brakes


Brad,

Like Tim suggests, on a long runway, I am very, very slow to advance the throttles. I have no problem with Steve's wish to spool up the turbos, but you can do that on the roll before going forward with power. As for running up the engines so you can turn your attention to other things, is does not seem to present a problem for me.

My "general" rule with any aircraft engine, NA or turbo, is 5 seconds from idle to full throttle or back.

Even though my engines are turbo normalized, I add power even slower than that on a long runway; probably 8 seconds.

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My Aerostars left engine is waiting for a replacement Factory 0 time from Lycoming....
Its been three weeks since the quote was done and the delivery time has slipped by more than 3 weeks.... why do so many companies have to be dishonest scum....

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