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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 01:25 |
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Joined: 03/11/17 Posts: 15 Post Likes: +3
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Username Protected wrote: Mickey - if your primary concern is fuel burn when it comes to 40-60 year old complex and luxurious piston twin operations, you‘re doing it wrong. It’s a rounding error.
[/quote] Bruce, That's cool. We all have our breaking points. I would guess you do to and probably the sole reason you are not operating something that burns 500 gallons per hour. Know your limitations. While yours may be a rounding error, the efficiency of the Aerostar is the primary reason I was considering it. Its an important rounding error however I dont believe I it is my "primary concern" as you noted. My primary concern is operating safely out of 3000 feet, everything else is a variable... --mick
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 05:26 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6366 Post Likes: +5546 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Adam, nice to see you are still contributing here. You may not remember but we had a discussion over a lunch in Hawthorne back in 2016. I cam in on a G550. Aerostar idea has been festering since.
Tell me more about the Aero Commander. I thought they had bad corrosion issues and a spar AD that made them worthless... I'll admit, I know nothing about them, but I did get to see Bob Hoover fly his in 1988. What should I look for? --mick
Oh hi Mickey! Of course, now I remember! How are you? The spar issues have been taken care of. A turbocharged 500B is pretty bulletproof. The original 500B came with a snubnose (but most got aftermarket pointy noses installed) and the later 500U, or Shrike, was factory built with the pointy nose, as I recall. They perform the same. You could takeoff fully loaded with ease from 3000ft. And the cabin is probably the widest in its class. The IO-540's are reliable.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 08:07 |
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Joined: 08/09/11 Posts: 1740 Post Likes: +2063 Company: Naples Jet Center Location: KAPF KPIA
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Username Protected wrote: Mickey - if your primary concern is fuel burn when it comes to 40-60 year old complex and luxurious piston twin operations, you‘re doing it wrong. It’s a rounding error.
Bruce, That's cool. We all have our breaking points. I would guess you do to and probably the sole reason you are not operating something that burns 500 gallons per hour. Know your limitations. While yours may be a rounding error, the efficiency of the Aerostar is the primary reason I was considering it. Its an important rounding error however I dont believe I it is my "primary concern" as you noted. My primary concern is operating safely out of 3000 feet, everything else is a variable... --mick[/quote]
Indeed. I passed my breaking point awhile ago. So far I’m only bent! A straight 600 might be fun to run in and out of 3000’ I’m not sure, never looked at the numbers. Probably few have accelerate-stop, isn’t that the question?
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 14:17 |
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Joined: 11/06/10 Posts: 11905 Post Likes: +2860 Company: Looking Location: Outside Boston, or some hotel somewhere
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Username Protected wrote: If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’ Good and T-Bone is an oxymoron. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 18:10 |
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Joined: 03/11/17 Posts: 15 Post Likes: +3
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Username Protected wrote: If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’ OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone" I like mine medium rare please --mick
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 18:18 |
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Joined: 01/28/13 Posts: 6053 Post Likes: +4019 Location: Indiana
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Username Protected wrote: If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’ OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone" I like mine medium rare please --mick
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 18:59 |
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Joined: 05/12/18 Posts: 7 Post Likes: +7
Aircraft: Rv9, Aerostar 600A
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I’d have a 500 commander if I had a place to house it. None of my stuff stays outside unless it’s being flown or on a trip. “The” Aerostar book (stars and commanders) is a great read if you are infatuated with Mr. Ted Smith and his designs.
I fly a slow plane in and out of a 1400ft grass strip with 100 ft trees both ends and it’s like a carrier landing every time. In a slow plane, (over the numbers around 40 to 60 mph), that strip still looks like a match box. I understand power management, ground conditions, and wind every trip in and out. Any one of those three can be a deal breaker. I know a little about how to get er down safe in a tight spot with minimum margins.
In my 600A, my current personal limit is 3500ft and that’s a perfect day on pavement.
I don’t do dry grass, rain wet grass, or morning wet grass in MY Aerostar at 3500ft. I know it’s been done on regular basis and I know the joys of grass.
If I had 3500ft of grass to deal with regularly with the family, I’d pass up the Aerostar. I love the plane but those margins are not up to my standards. Others may disagree.
Good luck on your search!
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 19:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone"
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 19:07 |
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The obvious point for a short strip on an Aerostar is which engine. I had a 700P that would do a takeoff on a 2000 ft strip light. Of course it didn’t have a balanced field length for a stop at that length. I also didn’t have the interest in operating out of that length with no margin for error.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 19:33 |
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Joined: 11/26/14 Posts: 1086 Post Likes: +1514 Location: Gillespie, IL LL45
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Username Protected wrote: If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’ OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone" I like mine medium rare please --mick
TBones.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 19:57 |
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OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone" I like mine medium rare please --mick[/quote] TBones.[/quote] Would that pic be called a "Bone Yard? "
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Post subject: Re: Aerostars Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 20:03 |
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Joined: 10/18/11 Posts: 1031 Post Likes: +588
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how about the twin bonanza with IO720 engines?
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