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Mickey - if your primary concern is fuel burn when it comes to 40-60 year old complex and luxurious piston twin operations, you‘re doing it wrong. It’s a rounding error.
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Bruce, That's cool. We all have our breaking points. I would guess you do to and probably the sole reason you are not operating something that burns 500 gallons per hour. Know your limitations. While yours may be a rounding error, the efficiency of the Aerostar is the primary reason I was considering it. Its an important rounding error however I dont believe I it is my "primary concern" as you noted. My primary concern is operating safely out of 3000 feet, everything else is a variable...
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Adam, nice to see you are still contributing here. You may not remember but we had a discussion over a lunch in Hawthorne back in 2016. I cam in on a G550. Aerostar idea has been festering since.

Tell me more about the Aero Commander. I thought they had bad corrosion issues and a spar AD that made them worthless... I'll admit, I know nothing about them, but I did get to see Bob Hoover fly his in 1988. What should I look for?
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Oh hi Mickey! Of course, now I remember! How are you?

The spar issues have been taken care of. A turbocharged 500B is pretty bulletproof. The original 500B came with a snubnose (but most got aftermarket pointy noses installed) and the later 500U, or Shrike, was factory built with the pointy nose, as I recall. They perform the same. You could takeoff fully loaded with ease from 3000ft. And the cabin is probably the widest in its class. The IO-540's are reliable.

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If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’

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Mickey - if your primary concern is fuel burn when it comes to 40-60 year old complex and luxurious piston twin operations, you‘re doing it wrong. It’s a rounding error.

Bruce, That's cool. We all have our breaking points. I would guess you do to and probably the sole reason you are not operating something that burns 500 gallons per hour. Know your limitations. While yours may be a rounding error, the efficiency of the Aerostar is the primary reason I was considering it. Its an important rounding error however I dont believe I it is my "primary concern" as you noted. My primary concern is operating safely out of 3000 feet, everything else is a variable...
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Indeed. I passed my breaking point awhile ago. So far I’m only bent! A straight 600 might be fun to run in and out of 3000’ I’m not sure, never looked at the numbers. Probably few have accelerate-stop, isn’t that the question?

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If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’


Good and T-Bone is an oxymoron.

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Since we are spending someone else's money.
Through an MU2 in there. The OpEx is higher, but if looking at CapEx it is/was not too large a leap.
Or go crazy with a Kodiac Quest.

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If we are going to add the Aero Commanders to the list then a good T-Bone needs to be there as well it will haul the load out of 3000’

OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone"
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OK. Ill bite. Apart from the obvious, what's a "T-bone"
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I’d have a 500 commander if I had a place to house it. None of my stuff stays outside unless it’s being flown or on a trip. “The” Aerostar book (stars and commanders) is a great read if you are infatuated with Mr. Ted Smith and his designs.

I fly a slow plane in and out of a 1400ft grass strip with 100 ft trees both ends and it’s like a carrier landing every time. In a slow plane, (over the numbers around 40 to 60 mph), that strip still looks like a match box. I understand power management, ground conditions, and wind every trip in and out. Any one of those three can be a deal breaker. I know a little about how to get er down safe in a tight spot with minimum margins.

In my 600A, my current personal limit is 3500ft and that’s a perfect day on pavement.

I don’t do dry grass, rain wet grass, or morning wet grass in MY Aerostar at 3500ft. I know it’s been done on regular basis and I know the joys of grass.

If I had 3500ft of grass to deal with regularly with the family, I’d pass up the Aerostar. I love the plane but those margins are not up to my standards. Others may disagree.

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It's a Twin Bonanza. Some great threads on here about them.

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The obvious point for a short strip on an Aerostar is which engine. I had a 700P that would do a takeoff on a 2000 ft strip light. Of course it didn’t have a balanced field length for a stop at that length.
I also didn’t have the interest in operating out of that length with no margin for error.

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TBones.

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TBones.[/quote]

Would that pic be called a "Bone Yard? " :lol:

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