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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 09:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: I like how Jason Crandall does it.
The check you write on January 1st (Fixed costs, calendar driven maintenance)
Then the cost per hour (fuel, engine reserve, tires, hours driven maintenance Yup. A $1000 an hour airplane costs $250K on January 1 of the year. To fly it 300 hours that year costs another $50K. Insert your own numbers accordingly. Makes you wanna go fly doesn't it?
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 09:55 |
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The more "cost per hour" comes up the more irrelevant I think it is.
Determine the mx schedule and associated costs, program costs (engines/avionics) then add your personal insurance/hanger/training then fuel/ramp/subscriptions. Work the total out for a typical year of flying and decide if you can live with it.
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 11 Sep 2015, 10:10 |
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Joined: 04/04/14 Posts: 3404 Post Likes: +2868 Location: Boonton Twp, NJ
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Username Protected wrote: I like how Jason Crandall does it.
The check you write on January 1st (Fixed costs, calendar driven maintenance)
Then the cost per hour (fuel, engine reserve, tires, hours driven maintenance Yup. A $1000 an hour airplane costs $250K on January 1 of the year. To fly it 300 hours that year costs another $50K. Insert your own numbers accordingly. Makes you wanna go fly doesn't it?
It's a simple way to put fixed and variable costs in a way easily explainable to the "accountant". But simple is good.
Hangar, insurance, recurrent, etc cost the same for 0 or 1000 hours.
Best way to reduce cost per hour is to fly more and reduce the impact of the fixed costs.
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 17 Sep 2015, 13:02 |
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Joined: 03/05/14 Posts: 2880 Post Likes: +2975 Company: WA Aircraft Location: Fort Worth, TX (T67)
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I like to break it down into teeny tiny numbers. For Crandall's example. 1000/hr and 250,000/year at 300 hrs/year 9 seats in the PC12 and 2 pilot seats. 11 seats at 270 KTAS A little math and it only cost $0.62 per seat per mile! Pilots have this ability to rationalize just about any expense 
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 17 Sep 2015, 13:21 |
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only way to know true cost per hour in ownership is the calculation you do the day you sell the plane.
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 17 Sep 2015, 22:12 |
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Well, I hate to speak here simply because there are so many variables. No matter what you say, someone can point out the deficiencies and be somewhat correct.
But, you want a "rule of thumb".
OK. I have tracked the cost of operating my airplanes over the years with the benefit of a very good in house book keeper and very good records. So, coming from MY EXPERIENCE, here goes.
The fixed cost you should know. The acquisition cost you should know. The fuel cost are "how many hours per annum" x price of fuel.
It's (obviously) the variable cost that throws up the ???????? of "how much".
Take the cost of engine and prop overhaul, divide them by TBO, then double that figure times your annual flight hours. Add to that the base cost of an annual. That's going to be pretty near you hourly maintenance cost.
That will not include avionics/paint/interior upgrades, which are costs that you choose to have.
That number parallels the cost I experienced with my Mooney Bravo for the seven years of ownership and seems to be a very good measure of what I am experiencing with the Aerostar. Now, if your personal experience is different, fine. This simply works for me.
Jgreen
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Post subject: Re: Cost per hour determinations? Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 20:33 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9015 Post Likes: +17217 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
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Username Protected wrote: Accounting cost on a private plane by the hour is like allocating the cost of a 29ft center console to the pounds of fish caught. Florian, You are ABSOLUTELY correct; but. A fellow has got to make a reasonable total dollar per year estimate, negative cash flow if you will, of an airplane before he makes the plunge. I've seen people who didn't and to their dismay, learned on the back end the X dollars per year was simply outside their budget. My meaning?. Well, sometimes you just have to ask "how long is a piece of string." All that being said, in most aircraft ownership situations, I believe that I could give a pretty good estimate to a potential buyer/owner on a specific airplane if I knew all his ownership/operating parameters. Jgreen
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