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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4-1UtYgQ_E

This company has game on........I like em.

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 Post subject: Re: Icon A5
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Like I've said 100 times before regarding the Icon.......

If you're going to take the time to design and build an airplane, why don't you go ahead and make it a plane with at least the speed and useful load of a Cirrus? I love the concept of the Icon but at the end of the day it's too slow and doesn't have any useful load. It's more of a Jet Ski than anything. It's n LSA.

I have a buddy in Chicago (not a pilot) who brags about ordering one like he's gonna take off from Lake Michigan and fly to Miami. He doesn't understand. If you could really do that mission it would be an incredible plane. But it' can't.

Even the video touts the plane as a "pure flying experience". Well, that wears off.

Does a manufacturer need to build a little one first in order to build a larger one?

I'd even be fine with the 2 seats if it just had some range and speed.


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 Post subject: Re: Icon A5
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Simple Jason,
You end up with a very expensive airplane, with a very limited market, and a bankrupt developer.
Here is one that tried
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawind_300C
I don't believe the A5 will make, though I would love to have one. I just can't see much of a market for a 200k LSA.


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 Post subject: Re: Icon A5
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Simple Jason,
You end up with a very expensive airplane, with a very limited market, and a bankrupt developer.
Here is one that tried
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawind_300C
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I don't understand which of my questions you're answering.


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 Post subject: Re: Icon A5
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Neat airplane nice design well made but.... I agree with the limited market at 200k. Its got to compete with the Seareys for less. And, these things are absolutely toys but the Rey has been perfect for commuting back and forth to my lakehouse 60 miles. Taking a real trip going 90mph is something i doubt i would ever do.

I dont think many of these paper orders will materialize but i hope the company succeeds.


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It's always fun to watch the comments about a new airplane design.

It's not this.

It's not that.

It's not for "real" pilots.

It's not . . . .

Yeah. Tell it to Cirrus. No one would ever buy a "plastic" airplane, with FIXED GEAR, with a stupid parachute that no "real" pilot would want.

As I look at the Icon, it seems to me this is not a plane designed for current pilots, but for people who would like to fly (not go places in a plane). Judging it through the eyes of current pilots and what we use planes for is, it seems to me, missing the market.

Hundreds of thousands of people buy boats costing $200K and more. These are for play. Nothing more. Nothing less. There are plenty of people who can drop 200 AMUs for a fun machine.

Will it be a commercial success? Who can say?

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I have a friend that placed a deposit ?? years ago.

I'm tired of waiting.

(It was a small deposit and I think he's forgotten about it)

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They have now sold about 1500 or so positions with deposit ranging from 5-30AMU depending where you are in the delivery schedule.

The price of the delivered airplane is also a big variable, since some got in as low as 100K, and some for almost twice as much.

I believe that many position holders got inline figuring they could later sell their place in line, or that easy money financing would be no big deal.

I agree with Jason that is is a toy, but what's wrong with that?

In any case, it'll outsell everything on the market except Cirrus.. and that is not bad.


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Seamax is very similar, cost a bit less and their sales barely move the needle.


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I'm a position holder. The plane is just a toy, for having fun, it's not a traveling machine. But then again no piston or propeller airplane is! :D

I owned a searey and had a lot of fun with it, but they are complete garbage. They are more like ultralights than airplanes. The Icon is really amazing. Night and day difference. It's very McLaren-esque.

I don't really need any more toys, but I like the company. I like the principals. I like their attitude, and I really like what they are trying to do for aviation. So, I ordered a plane. They have invited me to come out and visit the factory one production gets started. I spoke with Sean Tucker a couple weeks ago (he is also a position holder). He was just out there and said it's an impressive facility.

Will it be a commercial success? I have no clue. But I am looking forward to wrapping my A5 in matte gray camo to match my L39. I really miss having an amphib to terrorize my neighbors on the lake with. :D

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Jeez, don't tell Uncle Sam that my bonanza, twin bonanza, King air and Duke that I flew around for business were toys, he will want a lot of money back.


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Geez $200k for that? Not sure you can bring your lunch with 2 and full fuel.

Get a good C185 on amphib. At least you can carry a load at a descent speed.

I predict as soon as it starts producing and delivering it will fold.

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Cubcrafters is selling new Carbon Cubs for well over $200K-and the amphibious models will go for even higher. A Husky on amphibs (not an LSA-but certainly a toy) goes for about $300k.

If the Icon is fun to fly, forgiving and safe-I hope it will be successful. There are a lot of older pilots with a lot of cash and no medicals looking for something fun to fly.


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