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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Here is what you have to look forward to. First time I have hit 500.

Flew about 3200 miles over yesterday and today. Amazing how low the fatigue is. Great machine. Pax loved it and got some work done too.

Amazing!

I noticed your placard that says your G600 altitude information is not approved for RVSM navigation. What do you use for RVSM altitude, and how is it fed into the autopilot?


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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The original ADC and airspeed alt and vsi drive ap.

Piaggio has not released rvsm calibration curves. Once they do, everything will drive from Garmin.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Piaggio has not released rvsm calibration curves. Once they do, everything will drive from Garmin.


Anthony, please forgive me but I would like to highlight some aspects just to warn that the situation can be a bit different than what you describe.

Piaggio do know the P.180 airframe RVSM calibration curves, both the original and the updated ones (ref. the EASA Avanti II AD).

Piaggio is not obliged to "release" anything.

They can sell the curves, if anyone is asking to buy them.

They can elect to provide the curves free of charge, for some marketing reasons.

But there must be someone that is going to invest money to certify their products embedding those data.

The process is not so straightforward as copying a file from an USB stick, otherwise it should already be completed.

I don't want to side with anyone, just to give a clear idea of the situation, and I wish you that this will end as you told us soon.

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FIVE HUNDRED KNOTS

in a private airplane that does not have turbophanz....that I can fly

I saw 272 In me Columbia 350-non turbo- once at 17,500
I saw 359 in me Aerostar at FL230
BTW I am delivering me Aerostar to new buyer Monday am...happy and sad I am

Flight Safety not until Feb 8....down to 3 eternities away now

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Here is what you have to look forward to. First time I have hit 500.



I had that wind the other day going the opposite direction! But coming home, of course it had changed.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Piaggio has not released rvsm calibration curves. Once they do, everything will drive from Garmin.


Anthony, please forgive me but I would like to highlight some aspects just to warn that the situation can be a bit different than what you describe.

Piaggio do know the P.180 airframe RVSM calibration curves, both the original and the updated ones (ref. the EASA Avanti II AD).

Piaggio is not obliged to "release" anything.

They can sell the curves, if anyone is asking to buy them.

They can elect to provide the curves free of charge, for some marketing reasons.

But there must be someone that is going to invest money to certify their products embedding those data.

The process is not so straightforward as copying a file from an USB stick, otherwise it should already be completed.

I don't want to side with anyone, just to give a clear idea of the situation, and I wish you that this will end as you told us soon.

Daniele


Yup, you are correct. ICJC is working on an STC to solve which I am sure I involves then laying Piaggio, which will then involve me paying ICJC.

Worth it though. Can’t say enough good things about the plane and the Garmin panel is excellent for single pilot.

If they put Garmin in from factory and reduced pedestal size, I think they would take CJ market share. Cabin is just so much more comfortable.

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BTW I am delivering me Aerostar to new buyer Monday am...happy and sad I am


Congrats Brad...that was a FAST sale!!!


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Long leg today. 1600nm. Landed with 662lbs. Targeting 700 but got an odd routing at the end. Tailwinds made it doable. Nice to do in under 4 hours. We started out heavy and it was ISA +10 up high so we didn’t go above fl370.


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Amazing Anthony. And they say they're short legged? In fact, now that I look back on all the brokers who's minds I picked about them a few years back, I realize they probably actually didn't know very much about them at all. One of the most common things they repeated was that they're short legged and you could barely squeeze 1000nm out of them. Not if you actually plan a little. :scratch:

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Amazing Anthony. And they say they're short legged? In fact, now that I look back on all the brokers who's minds I picked about them a few years back, I realize they probably actually didn't know very much about them at all. One of the most common things they repeated was that they're short legged and you could barely squeeze 1000nm out of them. Not if you actually plan a little. :scratch:


Adam,

First. Most brokers have no clue about Avanti. Especially many who are selling them! :D

Second. You have 2800 lbs, or a bit more, of fuel. Distance all comes down to how high, how hot, how heavy, how fast and how tough the weather is in determining range. I can do 1200 nm at high speed cruise in the mid thirties with 4 and bags with up to 40 knots of headwind and IFR approach at arrival class D with 600 lbs on landing. More HW than that and I have to stop. With tail winds going home nonstop is easy and could probably get close to Anthony's performance. You can, of course, pull the levers back and really stretch it out in quiet, low vibration, comfortable cabin with a 5-6.5k cabin above the weather.

Third. Some controllers don't know what the plane can do either. Especially LA area. And they can really hurt you with ridiculous step climbs. Last month it was 5,7,9,11,13, etc. into the 20's sucking fuel but barreling along.


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Keep posting Anthony!

Patience is a virtue....where is that guy so I can punch him in the nose.

Taxiing has gotten boring although I am very grateful for my right seat companion.
I think Avanti is easier to taxi than Aerostar which is far from hard.

I finally have an instructor to go flying with Tuesday and Wednesday.

Honolulu to Nome to Bar Harbor to St Thomas back to Charlotte...here I come

T minus two forevers til off to Flight Safety

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Finally got to fly in the flight levels today
Previous owner told me this was a 370 knot bird...itz knot :D
My grin has subsided
pic is FL320 on way to Louisiana
374 true at FL350 coming back to Charlotte
Left engine fuel flow is correct. Rt indicator needs adjustment
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Your P180 must have Prist. It's a deicing agent. It comes premixed at virtually all FBO's. It adds a small amount to the price per gallon. You MUST insure it is delivered in your fuel. Typically you order your fuel "Positive" as in "top off positive".

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As one of the aforementioned brokers, (who has spoken with some of you) I get asked about P180 range all the time. My answer is always the same. It is a SOLID 1000 mile “regional” airplane, but you can stretch it out depending on conditions and load. So based on Tony’s real world example, I’m not too far off.... I would rather under promise slightly, and have a buyer pleased rather than pissed off when he can’t do it after he bought it. If that makes me stupid, guilty as charged!


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