It does sound complicated. In practice - it works great. I especially love that ICE light that indicates airframe icing is present.

Ice vanes creates a centrifugal separator on the engine intake so ice doesn't make it to the expensive parts. Huge performance hit with them on. I'm probably a little conservative and get them when entering conditions where ice could be - rather than waiting till I find ice.

Received 2023 pricing from PWC for ESP program. Up 10.7%. Not horrendous given the price increases I've seen in our industry. I always start thinking "Hey, that's the same or more than Williams" charges...then remember I don't have a minimum hours to hit every year.

Inertial Separator?

Inertial Separator?

Ugh, Matt I am so sorry to hear your troubles.

Possibly, but also because of the aft location of the exhaust stacks, far away from the air intakes up front.

And the “push props” are continuously deiced [automatically] from the hot exhaust gases.

Possibly, but also because of the aft location of the exhaust stacks, far away from the air intakes up front.

And the “push props” are continuously deiced [automatically] from the hot exhaust gases.

Uh… hot air for deice comes from bleed air, not exhaust air….

Uh… hot air for deice comes from bleed air, not exhaust air….

Interesting, I didn't know that. I'd've thought that the corrosive properties of combustion exhaust would make that unworkable.


Agreed, that would be difficult.

But Piaggio uses bleed air heat for deice in a couple places (the main wings and the leading edge of the NACA scoop for the oil cooler on the bottom of the cowl), and my personal guess seems like it'd be fairly easy to use it on the engine intake too. But I'm sure there's a reason why my personal guess is wrong.

Same on the TBM. It's free heat! It flows from the left exhaust through the engine inlet and back out the right exhaust (at least on the TBM).

Same on the TBM. It's free heat! It flows from the left exhaust through the engine inlet and back out the right exhaust (at least on the TBM).

King Air Hot Lips Drift:

The Starship used Bleed Air for Engine Inlet Hot Lips.
Early C90s (prior to Pitot Cowls) had electric lip boots for air inlet heat.
Then, all King Airs now have the inlet lips continuously heated by exhaust gases.

I’ve been informed by my better half that if we get a new plane, it’ll be an Avanti (or a G650). Not happening anytime soon, but a few questions to keep the thread going:

- What’s the latest on Piaggio’s ownership? Last articles from the spring talked about due diligence, but that’s about it.

- What’s availability like for ferry/contract pilots?

- Is FSI the only training option? I’ve been through twice and really didn’t like their formulaic approach to training. I’ve always preferred in-plane training.

- Lots of discussion about parts, but what about AOG support? Are most of the services centers responsive to AOG issues?

- Are there any knowledgeable, go-to brokers for the plane? Doesn’t strike me as a purchase you’d make without a broker who has a deep bench of knowledge on Avantis.

The situation borders on farce.
The fourth auction has again been halted and no buyer has been selected.
The change of Italian Government further slows down the process, as the sale requires approval from the Ministry of Economic Development.
Voluntary employee layoff continue, while the Unions demands to maintain the employment level and hope the Government can force Leonardo to take over.
This December marks the fourth year of receivership.