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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.  Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 19:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is anyone using the Garmin Iridium GSR 56 system? If so is it worth it? I had it in my previous 2 planes. Company paid for it as we were doing some Iridium R&D. Haven't decided if it is worth it in the new TBM or not. I will likely install the antenna next month when I install SXM and decide later It was useful for times I was flying to Canada and needed to call customs if I was running late
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 20:56 |
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So would you spend the money again or not?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 21:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: So would you spend the money again or not? I had it in my TBM. It wasn't worth the monthly expense. I have a sat phone in the P180 but haven't turned the service on.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 21:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Had an exciting departure from Santa Rosa today. As I pushed up the throttles for take off I got a master warning and oil pressure CAS message. Right engine had 0 (in red) for oil pressure. Immediate abort. (as an aside it's surprising in a situation like this how fast you're going - I was already past 80 and doing the engine cross check when the lights came on). Got off the runway and noticed that oil temps were both in the green and normal. Shut it down anyway, pulled onto the taxi way and we called a tech. Turns out it was an indicator malfunction. We started the engine back up and took off. On the flight home the needles stayed red which is a weird feeling. After a couple of days of two techs disassembling half the toilet area and de-cowling both engines, and other day or so of putting it all back together...the good news ways it was only a canon plug in a wiring harness that had worked loose.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 21:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is anyone using the Garmin Iridium GSR 56 system? If so is it worth it? This is a tangent, but… In about 2014 I flew to Iceland and at that time there was a bunch of documents indicating that they were developing procedures to allow flying those tracks with satphone instead of HF. Anyone know whether they’ve actually done that? Can one substitute satphone for HF? That’d make it worth it if you were inclined to cross the Atlantic.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Dec 2022, 21:49 |
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After a couple of days of two techs disassembling half the toilet area and de-cowling both engines, and other day or so of putting it all back together...the good news ways it was only a canon plug in a wiring harness that had worked loose.
Oof. Out of curiosity, was the cannon plug in question somewhere in the area of disassembly, or was all the disassembly a wild goose chase?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 01:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is anyone using the Garmin Iridium GSR 56 system? If so is it worth it? This is a tangent, but… In about 2014 I flew to Iceland and at that time there was a bunch of documents indicating that they were developing procedures to allow flying those tracks with satphone instead of HF. Anyone know whether they’ve actually done that? Can one substitute satphone for HF? That’d make it worth it if you were inclined to cross the Atlantic.
Jon, I've not heard that you can replace HF with Sat yet. Which is insane, but that's the EU. They're still having to do NDB approaches over there on their IFR checkrides! They'd be better off going to minimums on their handheld iPad than use that stuff, but hey....
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 07:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is anyone using the Garmin Iridium GSR 56 system? If so is it worth it? This is a tangent, but… In about 2014 I flew to Iceland and at that time there was a bunch of documents indicating that they were developing procedures to allow flying those tracks with satphone instead of HF. Anyone know whether they’ve actually done that? Can one substitute satphone for HF? That’d make it worth it if you were inclined to cross the Atlantic.
It is doable but some limitations. ICAO Doc 10038 and FAA AC 91-70B are the relevant docs.
ICAO 10038 says: "note that in-flight use of portable SATVOICE phones for ATS communications is not allowed, according to many existing State operating regulations"
The GSR56 is TSO C159a approved, the AC requires C159b, probably not an issue for Part 91 unless you need an LoA. To use it for Oceanic, you need a special Iridium SIM card that has the "short codes" for the ATC provider facilities (ARINC, SITA) programmed into the Iridium ground network, and will link your ICAO address to the incoming call.
Garmin supplies the SIM cards for the GSR56, I'm not sure if they are set up to handle ATC use, so this may be the biggest stumbling block.
When I was at TrueNorth/Satcom Direct our Iridium system could link into the cockpit audio system and I know it got used for Oceanic communications, and SD could supply a SIM that had the correct programming for the ARINC and SITA networks. A non-Garmin SIM can be used in a GSR56 but it takes special secret knowledge to make it work (I can help if anyone wants to try this). Normally popping a non-Garmin SIM in a GSR56 won't work as the GTN or GDU checks for some data on the SIM and will not connect unless it is there.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 09:01 |
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Username Protected wrote:
After a couple of days of two techs disassembling half the toilet area and de-cowling both engines, and other day or so of putting it all back together...the good news ways it was only a canon plug in a wiring harness that had worked loose.
Oof. Out of curiosity, was the cannon plug in question somewhere in the area of disassembly, or was all the disassembly a wild goose chase?
It was behind the lav mirror so the interior disassembly was required. They swapped out pressure transducers (in the engines) which led them to looking at the DCU in the cabin.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 15:23 |
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Stopped to chat with my airport neighbor again today about his newly acquired Avanti I. He loves it. He had a HondaJet before it, but they kept di**ing him around on the insurance he said - high cost, wanted him to always have 2nd pilot etc, etc. So he sold it and bough this instead. Says it lands faster than the HondaJet, but stops much shorter. It's also more quiet in cockpit than the HondaJet was, which was interesting to hear.
Once he hits 100hrs in it and feels comfortable, he's promised me a ride;)
What a beauty!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 15:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Fellow P180 owners, I may need a tug, anyone have suggestions?
I have and like a Powertow SuperTow IV for the Mits, it works well, and they say it would work for the P180. So I’m inclined toward that, but thought I’d see what else folks have found that works. Contacted BestTugs, and their remote control Romeo line doesn’t accommodate dual nose wheel, and their B12 could do it but not with either the lazy Susan or the ez load options, so I’d have to use strap and winch.
Other good options? Jon, here's the AC Air tug on a P180 I photographed today.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 15:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Stopped to chat with my airport neighbor again today about his newly acquired Avanti I. Nice report. I’d be interested in a PIREP on how well the ACTech tug works for the P180. How hard is it to load? How well does the lazy susan work?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 22 Dec 2022, 12:47 |
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Saw 397kts TAS yesterday in cold temps coming back from maint - a bit faster than book and I had more power to give if I wanted to get closer to temp limit (limit 820, I was running 785). While the I is not a 400kt plane, it is darn close on the right day and not a heavy load (me plus 200lbs of ballast plus full fuel). Cabin was 10db quieter than seat 31A on an Airbus 321 on the way to maint and 12db quieter than seat 28C on a B737 that was leg 2. Took me a lot longer to get to Tulsa than to get home. 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 22 Dec 2022, 13:46 |
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That is absolutely amazing! What altitude and FF were you at? If you have a picture of the screen would love to see it.
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