BeechTalk - BT - The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Nov 2022, 18:05

Username Protected wrote:

I've spent the last four nights reading this entire thread, now I am absolutely getting this as my next plane! I'm still not caught up, however I am flying to Dallas tonight and spending Thursday there and Friday in Tyler TX, does anyone happen to have one in the Dallas area that I can come take a look at it in person briefly?

If your location KLOU is accurate...I'm close (KCMH) and happy to show you a P180...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Nov 2022, 20:29

Just arrived at Addison, to my amazement, I saw two Piaggios parked as I was taxiing in. Wish it was one of you guys on this forum! I've never even seen one in real life until now!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Nov 2022, 20:33

Username Protected wrote:

I've spent the last four nights reading this entire thread, now I am absolutely getting this as my next plane! I'm still not caught up, however I am flying to Dallas tonight and spending Thursday there and Friday in Tyler TX, does anyone happen to have one in the Dallas area that I can come take a look at it in person briefly?

If your location KLOU is accurate...I'm close (KCMH) and happy to show you a P180...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Nov 2022, 21:04

Username Protected wrote:

I've spent the last four nights reading this entire thread, now I am absolutely getting this as my next plane! I'm still not caught up, however I am flying to Dallas tonight and spending Thursday there and Friday in Tyler TX, does anyone happen to have one in the Dallas area that I can come take a look at it in person briefly?

Hello JD,

We have listed P180 SN 1036 for sale. It is currently parked at FTW Meacham @ Broadies Aircraft Service. This particular airplane is a good core aircraft with a Garmin retrofit, but is in need of Cosmetics as well as a few other more expensive things in the next couple of years. Broadies maintains a few of them, so there should be something possibly "prettier". But, you should be able to see one, or several. Happy to put you in touch with them. My contact info is on our website @ www.wetzelaviation.com, or I can PM you.

Bryon Mobley
Wetzel Aviation, Inc.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Nov 2022, 21:09

Username Protected wrote:

I've spent the last four nights reading this entire thread, now I am absolutely getting this as my next plane! I'm still not caught up, however I am flying to Dallas tonight and spending Thursday there and Friday in Tyler TX, does anyone happen to have one in the Dallas area that I can come take a look at it in person briefly?

Hello JD,

We have listed P180 SN 1036 for sale. It is currently parked at FTW Meacham @ Broadies Aircraft Service. This particular airplane is a good core aircraft with a Garmin retrofit, but is in need of Cosmetics as well as a few other more expensive things in the next couple of years. Broadies maintains a few of them, so there should be something possibly "prettier". But, you should be able to see one, or several. Happy to put you in touch with them. My contact info is on our website @ http://www.wetzelaviation.com, or I can PM you.

Bryon Mobley
Wetzel Aviation, Inc.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Nov 2022, 17:43

So has anyone found a permanent (or at least semi-permanent) fix for the door seal squealing?
Stuffing a coat on it is maybe a little better, but it's hard to tell without someone fiddling with it in flight while I bark out things to try. I'm still not sure if it's where the two sections meet or at the floor.

During maintenance, they put some new foam on the bottom of the top section, but man, it still squeals like mad. I could almost talk without headsets if it weren't for that racket.

Just wondering if anyone found a solution.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Nov 2022, 18:01

Drip a little water in gap once in cruise. Freezes instantly and gets rid of all sound. It blows people’s minds how well it works. I keep a little squeeze bottle with a long needle like spout in cup holder by door.

I show people before I take off when briefing the door procedures. Super simple.

A cheap grocery trash bag can work well but requires fiddling. On mine I can position plastic in place when I close door and it blocks most sound once things pump up. I prefer water method though.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Nov 2022, 18:03

That's interesting...never would have thought to try water.

Your dripping it where the halves intersect or at the bottom/floor?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Nov 2022, 18:20

I had our door seal replace in the first six months of ownership. After replacing PBaron door seals I was pleasantly surprised at the cost and availability for the Piaggio.

Took some fiddling on replacement position. But haven’t had a squeal in a long time…

Anthony’s idea is great.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Nov 2022, 21:24

I replaced my seals as well which made a big but not total difference. If we have any squealing it seems to resolve itself by 20,000 feet or so. I haven't had to resort to water, or water logged toilet paper (which also works well) in quite a while.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Nov 2022, 07:30

Username Protected wrote:

That's interesting...never would have thought to try water.

Your dripping it where the halves intersect or at the bottom/floor?

In the halves in the middle.

I used a wet super thin Microfiber for a while too. Works but not nearly as well.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Nov 2022, 10:08

Well.............that didn't last long.

The nose actuator is leaking hydraulic fluid. No parts are available, so will go to overhaul.

50 days and 24K-75K is the estimate.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Nov 2022, 10:38

Ouch,
Sorry to hear that Matt. Hope it comes in at lower $ end. Remind me what year your bird is?

I got in light to maybe almost moderate mixed rime ice yesterday at 15,000 coming back from Gatlinburg.

Sure is different hoping I get in ice vs worried about it.

Ice Vanes on first.
Wait until I can see a good bit on main wing and then turn on main wing.
I told my rt seat co pilot friend he better watch close once I turned on heat...yep....
bye-bye quickly.

Visible ice on forward wing so turn on each side one at a time watching for amp draw.
All good...ice starting to melt.

Oil coolers then boots to Auto.

All working flawlessly

Ice doesn't stand a chance

And NO, I am not ever hoping for freezing rain or SLD

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Nov 2022, 11:44

Username Protected wrote:

Ice Vanes on first.
Wait until I can see a good bit on main wing and then turn on main wing.
I told my rt seat co pilot friend he better watch close once I turned on heat...yep....
bye-bye quickly.

Visible ice on forward wing so turn on each side one at a time watching for amp draw.
All good...ice starting to melt.

Oil coolers then boots to Auto.

All working flawlessly

Ice doesn't stand a chance

And NO, I am not ever hoping for freezing rain or SLD

The Piaggio seems to have a rather complex de-ice system: forward wing - electric heat, main wing - turbine bleed air heat, engine intake - pneumatic boots, props - engine exhaust and nothing for the H& V stab.

What are the ice vanes?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Nov 2022, 11:57

Username Protected wrote:

What are the ice vanes?

Inertial Separator?