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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 19 Feb 2024, 22:32 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 6338 Post Likes: +3829 Location: San Carlos, CA - KHWD
Aircraft: Piaggio Avanti
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe every Avanti is a bit different. Once I switch to manual heat if I give it three clicks I will get duct overheat master warning. Worth noting is yours has the Enviro system while Anthony has an ACM. So you do have significantly different systems…
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 20 Feb 2024, 14:15 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 12
Aircraft: P180 II Evo
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Username Protected wrote: I fly long flights high up constantly and never have trouble staying warm with this technique. Only thing is with a full load of pax they will complain about the extra heat before you do. Also in LRC with torque between 45 and 50 and fuel flows about 210 per side?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 22 Feb 2024, 12:11 |
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Joined: 01/01/22 Posts: 43 Post Likes: +4
Aircraft: Piaggio, Epic LT
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Username Protected wrote: I fly long flights high up constantly and never have trouble staying warm with this technique. Only thing is with a full load of pax they will complain about the extra heat before you do. Also in LRC with torque between 45 and 50 and fuel flows about 210 per side?
What altitude are you at in LRC and what is your TAS?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 22 Feb 2024, 20:13 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 6338 Post Likes: +3829 Location: San Carlos, CA - KHWD
Aircraft: Piaggio Avanti
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Username Protected wrote: Also in LRC with torque between 45 and 50 and fuel flows about 210 per side? What altitude are you at in LRC and what is your TAS? Here’s the I max range cruise chart. II/Evo power settings probably a smidge different, but that feels roughly right, probably within a few PPH, so similar speed too I imagine (315-320 KTAS?).
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 06:47 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 12
Aircraft: P180 II Evo
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Yes, similar to the Evo. I am not looking for a solution anymore. Got info from a reliable source that this type is cold at LRC and nothing can be done about it.
By the way, the table posted by Jon seems a bit odd. At F390 the ISA temperature should be -56. Looks more like an ISA+10 table.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 09:51 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23623 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: By the way, the table posted by Jon seems a bit odd. At F390 the ISA temperature should be -56. Looks more like an ISA+10 table. That's the difference between IAOT and SAT. Indicated outside air temperature, aka ram air temperature or total air temperature, includes the effect of airspeed. Static air temperature doesn't. ISA defines SAT, not IOAT/RAT/TAT. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 24 Feb 2024, 11:51 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 12
Aircraft: P180 II Evo
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Username Protected wrote: That's the difference between IAOT and SAT.
Missed the column name. Thanks.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 13:55 |
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Joined: 10/04/19 Posts: 12
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Is any of you using the Proline 21 checklist functionality? If yes, would you share your .cle file? I've got the editor, but there's no example checklist to start with.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 23 Mar 2024, 11:10 |
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Joined: 01/12/10 Posts: 406 Post Likes: +783 Location: Dallas, Texas
Aircraft: Piaggio P180, TTx
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Well,,, I'm back! After looking at literally every airplane under the sun from Piper Jetprops to Citation 501SP's and haltingly trying to buy a couple of them that failed pre buys... I am purchasing N29JS, SN 1046. Now before you say it, yes I am aware of its 2011 misfortune of a gear up landing (actually it was more of a touchdown without gear, a go around and extension of the gear and landing but I digress.) The airplane suffered minor damage to the belly and two props. I have pictures.... not as bad as we thought but its still there. Anyway... Planning on putting in a brand new interior, paint, new steel brakes and new windshields. The biggest change will be the panel which is scheduled for a June complete Garminization of every available option they have. The bird has 2500 hours and ALL maintenance has been done by Stevens since new (save the last 3 years - Sims). 3 owners since new.. the present group, Bob Jones University for 11 years and the first owner for 10 years Looking forward to being back in the fold. I can honestly say that the Piaggio is without a doubt the most amazing and capable airplane available under 12,500 lbs. There is NO airplane ,,, NONE that can do what this airplane does for the fuel burn. (That includes the V Mike... and I will love debating you on this!) I will keep everyone updated here on its rebirth. Attachment: 5EC443C0-1F5E-46B4-B191-2A0A4EA70C7E_1_201_a.jpeg Mark
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 23 Mar 2024, 11:47 |
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Joined: 03/03/11 Posts: 1861 Post Likes: +1830
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Welcome back Mark! The Avanti does really seem to occupy a nitch that is tough to fill. I flew about 4100 miles in 5 days last week. All over country, airports big and small. Seats almost full, seats almost empty. Had I been in pc24 I would have burned twice the fuel and saved one hour over all those legs. And when I had passengers they would have not enjoyed a cabin that’s a foot bigger . The annual interest expense on a pc24 is perhaps double my annual operating costs. I think the only downside to the plane is where do you go from here? The upgrade path either requires two pilots or a significantly worse cabin experience combined with about double the all in costs. The ‘cheap’ jets don’t work well if you fly a lot btw - the high fuel costs eventually get you no matter how much you save on maint. The view from massive cockpit glass never gets old either !
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