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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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I have a blue tattoo now above my hairline. Ran into the oily prop. Cleaned it out and all but apparently not good enough. It’s a blue line now. Worth it.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Short 196mile trip back from fishing east coast (MRH) to Charlotte.
FL220 was all I got
Still at 362 knots
40 minutes....
What was the line from Lightning McQueen on Cars....I AM SPEED

Thankfully I have never been addicted to any substance
Does this version of speed count

Some dummy forgot to switch on the fuel interconnect upon taking 80 gallons of gogo juice (look at lower rt part of pic) so I had to crossfeed on way back.
At 122 gph...did not take long

STILL.....a wee bit excited


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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I flew back from Florida yesterday in the cabin. I was suffering from some malady and not safe to fly myself so my training partner who had come on the trip with me flew us home. It was an interesting experience.

Sitting in the back is quiet! I heard Mike start the first engine but was surprised at how little sound it makes. I'm not sure I noticed the second engine start. When we stopped for the pre take off checks I thought he might have just been holding for ground traffic because I didn't notice the auto feather checks. From the cockpit these seem loud and the airframe makes a pretty noticeable shake when the props feather. I've wondered if that frightens or worries passengers. Now I know they don't even notice...

The in flight experience is remarkable. I am usually a bit uncomfortable after about 3 hours in flight in the cockpit. In the back, with my feet up, arm rests, reclined seat and comfortable temperature the time flew by. I got up several times to raid the snacks and moving around the cabin, even though I'm too tall to stand up straight, was super easy. As pilots we often feel the need to release a little bladder pressure but just tough it out. Using a fully enclosed, adequately sized and comfortable "restroom" makes that ridiculous (especially with a relief tube).

I watched our flight progress on the flip down screen occasionally but was still surprised when I noted that we were at 10,000 feet on the descent. When did that happen?

On landing I always notice the sounds that the props make when I put it into Beta to slow down. As a pilot I was interested in how that sounded in the back next to the engines so I paid attention. Apparently Mike didn't use Beta and instead chose to use up my expensive brakes! No, I know better, as he believes, as I do, that biplane brakes are just for holding for runup. It's just super quiet back there.

Riding in the back gave me a whole new appreciation for what an awesome plane the P180 is. I sometimes say I don't care what the people who turn right at the door think but don't really mean it. With this airplane they have to be impressed!

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Brad wrote: "Some dummy forgot to switch on the fuel interconnect upon taking 80 gallons of gogo juice (look at lower rt part of pic) so I had to crossfeed on way back.
At 122 gph...did not take long"

At my new home this last week I took on partial fuel. I had opened the interconnect and went about my business. When I powered up I noted a pretty significant imbalance - it might have been close to the entire amount added - but I'm not sure. The plane was also parked on a left-right slope. The fuel imbalance was heavy on the low side.

When partial fueling on a slope will fuel significant fuel migrate to the low side creating an imbalance? If it does, it makes it even worse if it leans more.

I also wondered if after i opened the interconnect, if the fueler came up and flipped the switch per his normal, not realizing he was flipping it closed.

We turned the plane around 180 degrees, opened the interconnect and let gravity do it's thing, and closed when it leveled out.

Always things to learn.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Matt,

I think you've answered your own question but you will definitely get an imbalance fueling on even a minor slope. I almost always fuel completely and use pressure so it's not an issue. But, like you I have a slope outside my hangar and need to be careful to get the pane lined up on the taxi stripe where it's level before fueling.

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It's just super quiet back there.


Loud outside but quiet inside, as engines noise and propellers shockwaves always go back / behind the airplane, hitting small fuselage area.

Sort of "supersonic", isn't it? :D


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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It's just super quiet back there.


Loud outside but quiet inside, as engines noise and propellers shockwaves always go back / behind the airplane, hitting small fuselage area.

Sort of "supersonic", isn't it? :D


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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I have had a pilot tag along on some recent trips and as a result have gotten to move around a bit.

You just cannot compare cabin to other single pilot jets or turboprops. Ridiculously comfortable. From what I can tell, the main club is the same size cabin as a Falcon 50.

I was surprised by the aft noise levels and by the complete lack of vibration. They really made a neat machine.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Headed to Northern Arizona tomorrow. Went there in Columbia back in 2016.
Columbia- 12 hours flight time.

Tomorrow:
A much easier 5 hours with no vibration and no fatigue….
And not looking down praying engine doesn’t quit.

For a guy that likes to fly I just do not think there is a move up from Avanti

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When partial fueling on a slope will fuel significant fuel migrate to the low side creating an imbalance? If it does, it makes it even worse if it leans more.


We turned the plane around 180 degrees, opened the interconnect and let gravity do it's thing, and closed when it leveled out.

Always things to learn.


Some will migrate to lower side but if interconnect is on imbalance will not be much.
If topped off then not an issue.

I thought I had opened interconnect after fueling early on and fuel migrated. I was told fuel does NOT migrate via turning on interconnect and believed my source.

My FBO ramp slopes gently toward runway so I will soon experiment by adding 100 gallons without interconnect then turning plane 180 and testing.

You can always just fill er up after realizing interconnect not on......however.

I fill up at cheaper locations and buy just enough for comfort at more expensive places.

Time to go fly....

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I have put in my special order for low winds at TRide tomorrow.
Order in process…looks promising.

I need to depart prior to 8am (9am TRide time)

Will Avanti vent fuel when full and sitting in hot sun?

Great fuel price here and a wee bit high at TRide. $7.19
I will be topping off when leaving TRide to make nonstop back to Charlotte.

Edit: Early call out to fill plane is best solution

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I have put in my special order for low winds at TRide tomorrow.
Order in process…looks promising.

I need to depart prior to 8am (9am TRide time)

Will Avanti vent fuel when full and sitting in hot sun?

Great fuel price here and a wee bit high at TRide. $7.19
I will be topping off when leaving TRide to make nonstop back to Charlotte.

Edit: Early call out to fill plane is best solution



You are flying to one of the most exclusive airports in the world in one of the most exclusive airplanes in the world… and what you are concerned with is the price of fuel for half a tank? Seriously?.. step away from the plane…


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I have put in my special order for low winds at TRide tomorrow.
Order in process…looks promising.

I need to depart prior to 8am (9am TRide time)

Will Avanti vent fuel when full and sitting in hot sun?

Great fuel price here and a wee bit high at TRide. $7.19
I will be topping off when leaving TRide to make nonstop back to Charlotte.

Edit: Early call out to fill plane is best solution



You are flying to one of the most exclusive airports in the world in one of the most exclusive airplanes in the world… and what you are concerned with is the price of fuel for half a tank? Seriously?.. step away from the plane…


I get your point but you don’t get to go to places like that in planes like that by being careless with money.

Brad - is that the rack rate or best fuel program price? And yes when fuel expands it will leak - though the system is designed with some room for expansion when “full”.
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I flew KPWA - KVNY - KSTS today picking up my son in LA, a car in Watsonville (dropped a driver) and then to Sonoma. KVNY can be pretty busy, and it was this Sunday morning, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Watsonville which is uncontrolled and a bit of a zoo. My M.O. is always to fly the RNAV 2 to the beach, cancel and join the down wind for 20. Fitting into the traffic going 80 when you’re going 140 in the pattern is always interesting. What I like about Watsonville is also that it is so busy - with lots of small planes (ramp was crowded today) and friendly people. Had a nice chat with a couple of guys including an Eclipse pilot who’s little boy loves Italian airplanes :D. I wish there were lots more places with that many airplanes out for fun on a nice day.

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