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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 26 Jul 2015, 18:26 |
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Joined: 12/19/11 Posts: 3158 Post Likes: +1269 Company: Bottom Line Experts Location: KTOL - Toledo, OH
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Username Protected wrote: just flew 6 of us plus bags from Seattle to Atlanta in 6 hours.
Seattle to Atlanta --1900 nm direct -- in 6 hours? I'm curious about such a flight. You have a flight track or Flight Aware that shows that flight?
Very plausible west to east. Requires 320kts which is about a 40-50kt tailwind in a PC12. What not believable about that?
_________________ Don Coburn Corporate Expense Reduction Specialist 2013 SR22T G5
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 26 Jul 2015, 18:31 |
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Joined: 12/12/10 Posts: 512 Post Likes: +88 Location: Atlanta
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Believable? Who said anything about that? Would just like to see how it's done.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 26 Jul 2015, 19:05 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 13118 Post Likes: +15825 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEVV
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Username Protected wrote: Very plausible west to east. Requires 320kts which is about a 40-50kt tailwind in a PC12. What not believable about that? The weather patterns right now make it very unlikely you can achieve an average tailwind of 50 knots on that route, particularly the second half in the doldrums of the southeast US. At FL270, the current average tailwind is 20 knots over that route. In the winter, much better chance. I could find no recent (last 6 months) IFR flight N801PB has made that matches the claim of Seattle to Atlanta non stop in 6 hours. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N801PB/historyDoing it VFR is very unlikely as that would be slower speeds, higher fuel burn, and less tailwind. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 26 Jul 2015, 22:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Have you 2 nothing else to do with your lives than have me prove you wrong again? Lol
Clearly not. 
_________________ Don Coburn Corporate Expense Reduction Specialist 2013 SR22T G5
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 27 Jul 2015, 11:12 |
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Joined: 12/12/10 Posts: 512 Post Likes: +88 Location: Atlanta
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So in a thread about the P180, a curious and off topic claim is made about a specific flight. Using 4th grade math for about 5 seconds (1900 divided by 6) curiosity is raised, followed by a legitimate request for information (shouldn’t make a claim in an aviation forum about an aviation feat you’ve allegedly done if you can’t buck up and back it up). Then, Mike’s post raised real doubt on this story. Now, more than a half a day later, no response, no support for a challenged story. Just juvenile sniping. We all know the old saying “if the facts are against you, attack the other side.” That doesn’t shake the truth -- just the opposite, it highlights the story’s weakness.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 05:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: So in a thread about the P180, a curious and off topic claim is made about a specific flight. Using 4th grade math for about 5 seconds (1900 divided by 6) curiosity is raised, followed by a legitimate request for information (shouldn’t make a claim in an aviation forum about an aviation feat you’ve allegedly done if you can’t buck up and back it up). Then, Mike’s post raised real doubt on this story. Now, more than a half a day later, no response, no support for a challenged story. Just juvenile sniping. We all know the old saying “if the facts are against you, attack the other side.” That doesn’t shake the truth -- just the opposite, it highlights the story’s weakness. I've made many posts with with pics and data of my long distance flights. You poo poo all of them. Go re-read one of the other threads. You're a dork! Get a life  lol P.s. Why don't you use your real name on BT like the rest of us?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 09:55 |
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Joined: 12/12/10 Posts: 512 Post Likes: +88 Location: Atlanta
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Username Protected wrote: I've made many posts with with pics and data of my long distance flights. You poo poo all of them. Go re-read one of the other threads. You're a dork! Get a life  lol P.s. Why don't you use your real name on BT like the rest of us?[/quote] Your bad manners are on display again. Of course, this happens frequently on BT (your vile insult of religion a recent example). The issue is not long flights generally. Nor any other long flight you may have done. It's one specific flight you claimed in black and white. The childish temper tantrums after being called out don't camouflage anything. In fact, it's pretty obvious by now the claimed flight didn't happen. Pilots call out inflated claims and tall tales in aviation, just like they do dangerous aviation practices. Count on me doing that the next time you try this. For the teen age attempts at insults spoken so far and for the infantile one you will respond to this with, those don’t deter – they bring more resolve and scrutiny.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 04:19 |
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On February 2nd, 2016 Mr. Alessandro Mazzoni, father of P.180 and holder of the "three lifting surface" patente, passed away in his birth place Florence at age of 84.
Godspeed Mr. Mazzoni.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Feb 2016, 11:55 |
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Joined: 09/17/15 Posts: 55 Post Likes: +56 Company: goes in Brand X-Talk... Location: Italy
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Google for Patent CA1239919A1, it seems it expired on 2005.
I know a couple of design with this configuration, three small surfaces gives same lift with reduced overall drag.
Despite it's aerodynamic efficiency is certainly more complex and expensive to build an aircraft that way.
I guess that increased use of composites could help, but it's too late for the P.180 itself to be updated with this technology.
Daniele
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