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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.  Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 10:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Paging Adam Frisch ... I think we have a new project for you! 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 18:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe we'll get lucky and someone with deeper pockets and a commitment to GA like Daher will buy them.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 12:03 |
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I was sent an email from an Italian broker this morning showing how they are using 2 Avantis to transport COVID19 cases. I thought all you Piaggio fans would like to see it: https://www.orionfly.it/vis_news.php?id=44
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Apr 2020, 21:13 |
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Ok I am going hook, line and sinker for this airplane. After selling my Mustang and having an aborted attempt at purchasing a M2, I have decided to follow Anthonys lead and buy a Avanti 1 and paint, interior and Glass panel it through Stevens Aviation and ICJC.
Run the numbers on Foreflight and Fltpln.com.... they don't lie.
This airplane is truly a 1400 mile no wind range airplane carrying 7 with luggage with IFR reserves. Great stand up cabin to walk around in and a lav you can actually use.
All for less than the cost of a CJ1..... why in the HELL doesn't this airplane TAKE the market?
EVERY owner and service center I have talked to (5 total now) have told me the airplane is not only RELIABLE it is also cheaper to operate than a CJ?
Why is Textron not buying Piaggio for pennies on the dollar? What the hell do you need a DENALI for when this airplane is sitting out there?
Not to mention it is sexy as hell. "Ferrari of the sky" (and yeah I am partial to Ferraris).
Think about it. PT-6 engines the most reliable motor every built. Garmin retrofit to bring it into the 21rst century (except the autopilot unfortunately)., Parker brakes to reduce costs, Hartzell props, etc, etc,
Short of someone driving into it with a truck why the heck would anyone have any worries about Piaggio parts?
What am I missing here?
This reminds me of when I bought my MU2 12 years ago and everyone told me what a death trap it was and I was crazy. Found out that the RUMOR is usually contrary to the TRUTH!
BTW I still love MU2's -
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Mark
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Apr 2020, 22:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ok I am going hook, line and sinker for this airplane. After selling my Mustang and having an aborted attempt at purchasing a M2, I have decided to follow Anthonys lead and buy a Avanti 1 and paint, interior and Glass panel it through Stevens Aviation and ICJC.
Run the numbers on Foreflight and Fltpln.com.... they don't lie.
This airplane is truly a 1400 mile no wind range airplane carrying 7 with luggage with IFR reserves. Great stand up cabin to walk around in and a lav you can actually use.
All for less than the cost of a CJ1..... why in the HELL doesn't this airplane TAKE the market?
EVERY owner and service center I have talked to (5 total now) have told me the airplane is not only RELIABLE it is also cheaper to operate than a CJ?
Why is Textron not buying Piaggio for pennies on the dollar? What the hell do you need a DENALI for when this airplane is sitting out there?
Not to mention it is sexy as hell. "Ferrari of the sky" (and yeah I am partial to Ferraris).
Think about it. PT-6 engines the most reliable motor every built. Garmin retrofit to bring it into the 21rst century (except the autopilot unfortunately)., Parker brakes to reduce costs, Hartzell props, etc, etc,
Short of someone driving into it with a truck why the heck would anyone have any worries about Piaggio parts?
What am I missing here?
This reminds me of when I bought my MU2 12 years ago and everyone told me what a death trap it was and I was crazy. Found out that the RUMOR is usually contrary to the TRUTH!
BTW I still love MU2's -
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Mark We’re missing only the pics! Let’s see them!!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 04 Apr 2020, 22:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ok I am going hook, line and sinker for this airplane. After selling my Mustang and having an aborted attempt at purchasing a M2, I have decided to follow Anthonys lead and buy a Avanti 1 and paint, interior and Glass panel it through Stevens Aviation and ICJC.
Run the numbers on Foreflight and Fltpln.com.... they don't lie.
This airplane is truly a 1400 mile no wind range airplane carrying 7 with luggage with IFR reserves. Great stand up cabin to walk around in and a lav you can actually use.
All for less than the cost of a CJ1..... why in the HELL doesn't this airplane TAKE the market?
EVERY owner and service center I have talked to (5 total now) have told me the airplane is not only RELIABLE it is also cheaper to operate than a CJ?
Why is Textron not buying Piaggio for pennies on the dollar? What the hell do you need a DENALI for when this airplane is sitting out there?
Not to mention it is sexy as hell. "Ferrari of the sky" (and yeah I am partial to Ferraris).
Think about it. PT-6 engines the most reliable motor every built. Garmin retrofit to bring it into the 21rst century (except the autopilot unfortunately)., Parker brakes to reduce costs, Hartzell props, etc, etc,
Short of someone driving into it with a truck why the heck would anyone have any worries about Piaggio parts?
What am I missing here?
This reminds me of when I bought my MU2 12 years ago and everyone told me what a death trap it was and I was crazy. Found out that the RUMOR is usually contrary to the TRUTH!
BTW I still love MU2's -
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Mark That's the spirit, Mark! A man of my own heart! 
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 00:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ok I am going hook, line and sinker for this airplane. After selling my Mustang and having an aborted attempt at purchasing a M2, I have decided to follow Anthonys lead and buy a Avanti 1 and paint, interior and Glass panel it through Stevens Aviation and ICJC.
Run the numbers on Foreflight and Fltpln.com.... they don't lie.
This airplane is truly a 1400 mile no wind range airplane carrying 7 with luggage with IFR reserves. Great stand up cabin to walk around in and a lav you can actually use.
All for less than the cost of a CJ1..... why in the HELL doesn't this airplane TAKE the market?
EVERY owner and service center I have talked to (5 total now) have told me the airplane is not only RELIABLE it is also cheaper to operate than a CJ?
Why is Textron not buying Piaggio for pennies on the dollar? What the hell do you need a DENALI for when this airplane is sitting out there?
Not to mention it is sexy as hell. "Ferrari of the sky" (and yeah I am partial to Ferraris).
Think about it. PT-6 engines the most reliable motor every built. Garmin retrofit to bring it into the 21rst century (except the autopilot unfortunately)., Parker brakes to reduce costs, Hartzell props, etc, etc,
Short of someone driving into it with a truck why the heck would anyone have any worries about Piaggio parts?
What am I missing here?
This reminds me of when I bought my MU2 12 years ago and everyone told me what a death trap it was and I was crazy. Found out that the RUMOR is usually contrary to the TRUTH!
BTW I still love MU2's -
Best
Mark We’re missing only the pics! Let’s see them!!
I gotta BUY one first lol!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 01:17 |
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How are you getting by without an airplane right now? How are you going to go another 6 months to purchase and upgrade the new bird?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 10:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: How are you getting by without an airplane right now? How are you going to go another 6 months to purchase and upgrade the new bird? Guess you missed my thread in Beech Singles "I just bought a brand new G36 Bonanza". But it will be a while before I enjoy high altitude capabilities and I am already missing it this morning....
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 12:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: What am I missing here? Short field performance? Fits in a T hangar? Those are my primary barriers...
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Username Protected wrote: What am I missing here? Short field performance? Fits in a T hangar? Those are my primary barriers...
I have my TBM in a large T hangar with 50 opening. So it would work for me!
My initial calls and discussions with listing brokers a few weeks ago told me the market was sooooffffttttt. Now the company is for sale, the world economy is swirling the drain and everyone's locked down. Asset deflation is going to happen in the short term. I'm not quite ready but I think its a great plane and I'm not afraid the maintenance and insurance (which is going to be steep) cost picture because the capex is going to be very attractive. Please Mark, buy quickly!
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Post subject: Re: 1 Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 13:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Short field performance? Fits in a T hangar?
Those are my primary barriers... I have my TBM in a large T hangar with 50 opening. So it would work for me!
I have a T with a 54’ opening, but only 44’ deep. Even if it were 48’ deep, which by spec book would be just long enough, I don’t think it’d fit in the wing box area of the T. Not quite clear what min T depth would be but eyeballing looks more than half the length of the plane.
Good point about insurance. And what are the training facilities like? Simulator? Only in-airplane? If the latter, that could be a big problem for insurance right now.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 05 Apr 2020, 16:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: How are you getting by without an airplane right now? How are you going to go another 6 months to purchase and upgrade the new bird? Guess you missed my thread in Beech Singles "I just bought a brand new G36 Bonanza". But it will be a while before I enjoy high altitude capabilities and I am already missing it this morning....
I don’t know how I missed that. Wow, congratulations! Love the hangar!
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